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  • #334093
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    @timb

    His answer with the Korean Roof vigilantes video is not JUST violence, it is violence accompanied by snazzy exciting cover music.

    You need a hook to sucker in some impressionable young men, like the Ritt, who are looking for glory and an adrenaline rush.

    Yeah, it’s the glorification of violence. The video doesn’t do anything for me and it’s not at all what is happening in the States.

    #334112
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Is this why we are tearing down statues and defunding the police? Where are you folks heading?  — Sree

    The first part of your answer wasn’t really an address to my question.

    This one is twisting words. Police and communities have been working on reforms since I was aware of politics and no doubt before that, so that’s more than 60 years. Police themselves complain about being the ones who are charged with breaking up an argument between a husband and wife. They would love to have some funds go to a social worker who could join them on those calls. But the word “defund” got used and now people like you want it to mean something it doesn’t.

    Tearing down statues was also being discussed from the day they went up. They were funded by racist organizations who had a view of their southern ancestry that was never true. But decades of trying to get our public spaces to reflect the history accurately failed, and then they just started killing people or throwing them in jail, so pent up anger of generations was finally unleashed. This is a historic pattern that is well known by people like Mitch McConnell and William Barr. They know they can manipulate the narrative to make it look like those people are just thugs who have nothing real to contribute. Truth is, the generals from 1863 who owned slaves are the ones who had nothing to contribute. We defeated that ancient thinking back then, but ideas can’t actually be killed, they have to be re-learned generation after generation.

    #334118
    @sree
    Participant

    The first part of your answer wasn’t really an address to my question.

    And why not? I explained very clearly that responses from @mriana and @timb clarified, for me, where they were coming from with regard to their take on racism. They are not blacks and, therefore, not targets of racial hatred and injustice purportedly suffered by the black victims in present-day USA. Yet, for some reason, they have taken on the role of defenders of perceived victims of alleged white antagonism, an inborn trait of all white people. This trait is like original sin from which blessed whites are cleansed by the baptismal waters of liberal progressivism in which they are now immersed.

    This one is twisting words. Police and communities have been working on reforms since I was aware of politics and no doubt before that, so that’s more than 60 years. Police themselves complain about being the ones who are charged with breaking up an argument between a husband and wife. They would love to have some funds go to a social worker who could join them on those calls. But the word “defund” got used and now people like you want it to mean something it doesn’t.

    Get real. Police don’t break up domestic arguments when they answer 911 calls from frantic women, black or white. Teenage boys have been known to gun down their abusive fathers to stop them from hurting their moms. No woman calls the cops to settle an argument, with a spouse or boyfriend, that can be resolved by a counselor or social worker if she can’t throw the bastard out of her house in the first place. It took seven bullets from a police officer to stop Jacob Blake. Think about it.

    Defund the police is a cop-out. If we were a society of nice people, we wouldn’t need the law let alone law enforcers armed to kill. We are brutal animals beneath our skins. It just that some of us manage to tame the beast and some can’t or won’t.

    Tearing down statues was also being discussed from the day they went up. They were funded by racist organizations who had a view of their southern ancestry that was never true. But decades of trying to get our public spaces to reflect the history accurately failed, and then they just started killing people or throwing them in jail, so pent up anger of generations was finally unleashed. This is a historic pattern that is well known by people like Mitch McConnell and William Barr. They know they can manipulate the narrative to make it look like those people are just thugs who have nothing real to contribute. Truth is, the generals from 1863 who owned slaves are the ones who had nothing to contribute. We defeated that ancient thinking back then, but ideas can’t actually be killed, they have to be re-learned generation after generation.

    Come on, Lausten. How did you get this way? Why go back to 1863 to dig up psychological hurts to nurse? Don’t you have enough in your own life as it is? Perhaps, you need a nasty bout of shingles to get you rooted in reality. Our nation of 340 million has a ton of real and present issues for our government to deal with just to keep as many people housed, clothed, and fed. Tearing down statues takes time and money we can ill afford. Why not pass a bill to stop all statue-building (no more Presidential Museums!) from here on in and leave all that junk we have erected stay as is and ignore them. Is that good?

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    #334133
    @timb
    Participant

    Dude, again, here is a direct quote from you

    “Black lives matter only when black lives strive to be better in a white man’s world.”

    As Lausten said, “What definition of racism doesn’t that fit?” And don’t try the following BS line again:

    “My big toe could also be an offensive term to use if I am not sensitive to the feelings of the other toes on my feet.”

    If you happen to make statements that seem derogatory to your toes, or biased in favor of your big toe, I doubt that anyone will care.

    Now you ask where the BLM is heading.  It is heading for a nation in which systematic injustice based on race and economic standing is de-constructed.

    Hell the cops can be better funded than ever, that’s fine, as long as NONE of them kill black and poor people unnecessarily, or support their peers who do.  And as long as, if some do kill black and poor people unnecessarily, there are no systematic protection of those cops, involved, beyond the rights of any accused person.

     

     

     

    #334153
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    @sree

    They are not blacks and, therefore, not targets of racial hatred and injustice purportedly suffered by the black victims in present-day USA.

    ROFLMAO! Really? You think just because I’m white I’m not a target? Excuse me. I had two babies who are 1/2 Black. You’re so naive to think I was not ever a target. You have not idea how much crap white male assholes have given me- everything from n-lover to threats of harm. My sons and I have suffered discrimination together. Maybe you should try dating someone who’s Black and see what happens. Oh wait, you’re a white male, so dating a Black girl won’t have the same affect.

    #334156
    @sree
    Participant

    You have not idea how much crap white male assholes have given me- everything from n-lover to threats of harm.

    I believe you. I did say that you live in a bad world. Nasty people come in all skin colors. The lower you are on the economic ladder, the more nasty people get in your way to wreck your day. There is no racism among the rich. Everybody loves Oprah.

    #334157
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    @sree I don’t live in a bad world, anymore than you do. Dumba$$es exist in our world and we share the same world and at all economic levels. To be honest, the higher up on the economic level on is, the dumber and nastier one becomes, due to greed and racism. What you are too ignorant to realize is that the rich ARE racist. Very racist. For a long time, Jews and Blacks were not welcome in their country clubs and those that are there today are “tokens”. That’s racism. And not everyone loves Oprah, anymore than everyone loves Barbra.

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    #334190
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    Some may find what Angela Davis has to say:

    #334966
    @believer
    Blocked

    @timb When you say: “The protest chant “Black Lives Matter” does not negate or discount the truism that “All Lives Matter”, but the truism in response to the protest DOES discount the protest, in the context of the social realities for black Americans in our society.” my response is that somebody should have come up with a better slogan. There are a whole bunch of problems with it, not just that it leaves out everyone else but “blacks”. The solution to racism isn’t to further entrench the idea that any particular race should be given special treatment, and that’s exactly what that slogan does, even if it never intended to do so. What would be a better one? I’m not sure. The two key issues seem to be violence and justice. Perhaps a crowd of black protesters holding signs that say “Peace And Justice”? However given the backlash, it seems there are a lot of black lives focused on anything but peace and justice, and they’re not helping anyone, including themselves.

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    #335058
    @timb
    Participant

    When you say: “The protest chant “Black Lives Matter” does not negate or discount the truism that “All Lives Matter”, but the truism in response to the protest DOES discount the protest, in the context of the social realities for black Americans in our society.” my response is that somebody should have come up with a better slogan. There are a whole bunch of problems with it, not just that it leaves out everyone else but “blacks”. 

    Sorry the slogan makes you uncomfortable.  It does NOT leave everyone else out but blacks.  It specifies blacks, because they tend to be the ones whose lives are being destroyed.

    The solution to racism isn’t to further entrench the idea that any particular race should be given special treatment, and that’s exactly what that slogan does, even if it never intended to do so.

    “Black Lives Matter” does not exhort special treatment.  It calls for fair and just and equal treatment.  If you won’t even admit that there is systemic racism, that is preventing fairness and equal justice, then you sure as hell aren’t going to be able to fix it.

    The injustice has gone on and on and on and on and on throughout our history, with some ebb and flow in regard to the magnitude of the injustice for the entire history of our nation.  Why would blacks think it will easily be dealt with now?  They wouldn’t.

    Look at the history of Civil Rights advances that we HAVE had.  Were the black demonstrators, in the 60’s politely carry signs that said “Peace and Justice”?  Maybe some did, but that was overshadowed by firehoses trained on black kids.  Dogs used to viciously attack black demonstrators. Cops in riot gear beating the crap out of black demonstrators.  Not to mention the atrocities against blacks (and Jews that tried to help them) that took place on the boundaries of our society back then.

    Plain old “Peace” has not resulted in blacks overcoming the systemic racism that inculcates our society, even today.

    Peace as usual will not ever result in the overcoming of racial bias in our legal system, unless people like you, believer, come to realize that the problem is systemic and must be addressed as such.

    #335066
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    @believer

    There are a whole bunch of problems with it, not just that it leaves out everyone else but “blacks”.

    Do you feel that way about the NAACP? Have you been stopped for DWB? Have you been shot just because of the colour of your skin? Have you been discriminated against because of the colour of your skin? Now the kicker, which shows it does not leave out white people- Has your family been discriminated against or denied services because they were even on drop Black?

    You ask how the last question doesn’t leave out white people? I’m white, my sons are 1/2 Black and we have been discriminated against and denied services, so by default, the slogan does include me, because by society’s view, my family is Black and they ignore that they are part white. President Obama could have been my brother, even though I am white. Just think about that one for a bit, if you can’t figure out genetics. It does include others, just as the women’s equal rights movement includes minorities. You cannot have one without the others. Thing is, as a white male (if you are male) you are a majority and none of these things affect you as much if at all. White women are only one rung below the white male and all others are below them. Now, we have to give those below us on that ladder help up in order to be more equal, even with the law. You might not have family members are who are part Black or Black, but being white, especially a white male, you have privilege others do not and it includes you because you can support your brother in receiving the same rights you have.

    #335281
    @cuthbertj
    Participant

    Why isn’t this a simple solution to the problem?:

    1) The police force should reflect the precinct/city in which it operates.

    2) Every time police are called in, there has to be one white cop and one black cop (or one black and one latino, etc. I.e. equal representation according to the community they’re in) and they have to coordinate any action they take – no cowboys so to speak – the white cop can’t open fire if the black cop doesn’t agree, and visa versa.

    3) Every jury has to reflect the population they’re apart of.

    This just seems to make sense but maybe I’m missing something. And then to make this happen, not only don’t defund the police, but increase funding to achieve these types of equal representation.

     

    #335282
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    Number 1 is already happening in most places but it doesn’t really matter according to this study.

    Number 2 is cancelled out by the same study in number 1.

    Number 3 is already the norm.

    #335286
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    Al Sharpton has it right- we need to change the law by changing the lawmakers, which means we need vote.

    #335298
    @ibelieveinlogic
    Participant

    The two key issues seem to be violence and justice. Perhaps a crowd of black protesters holding signs that say “Peace And Justice”? However given the backlash, it seems there are a lot of black lives focused on anything but peace and justice, and they’re not helping anyone, including themselves.

    “No justice, no peace” transforms Black Lives Matter into Burn Loot Murder.

    Of course BLM is racist and of course it is a threat.  It was meant to be both.  You’re wrong about it not helping anyone, it helps Trump.  Even sleepy Joe has had to adopt Trump’s law and order stance.

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