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  • #331417
    @3point14rat
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    mriana:  “…did I mention I hate Capitalism?”

    No, but if I had to guess, I’d say you’re at least mildly unhappy with it.

    Capitalism wouldn’t have the unearned position of being the only game in town if all the other alternatives weren’t demonized. Socialism is more vile a swear word than the “F”-word to most people. I don’t know anyone who understands that our healthcare, police, pensions, and every other social program is a form of socialism.

    [Sorry for hijacking the thread. I don’t get into discussions on racism (the actual topic) since my life in rural Canada has exposed me to zero instances of what a visible minority has to deal with, and therefore I have nothing profound or informed to say on the topic. “Racism is ethically, legally, and morally wrong.”, is the extent of my possible input.

    You may return to the original topic.]

    #331424
    @timb
    Participant

    … Canada has exposed me to zero instances of what a visible minority has to deal with …

    In 1961, a guy came out with a book called “Black Like Me”.  You could do what he did, and then visit some US cities. Or you could just look into the book. It might well be in your local library or readable for free online somewhere.

    #331461
    @3point14rat
    Participant

    Tim, The book looks interesting. I’ll see if I can get my hands on a copy.

    I know there is racism in Canada. Many of my friends and family are racists to varying degrees.

    Growing up in rural Albertan with no minorities as neighbors, going to a tiny country school with no minorities, and having the closest town have no visible minorities, has left me without any first hand experience of people being racist towards an individual. Some of my friends and family are very outspoken against minorities, but I have never seen the impact of that racism on the intended targets. Hearing their racist sentiments thrown around during a BBQ or over coffee is maddening. My anger would be much greater if I were to be present when those things were said directly to another person.

    Am I lucky or unlucky to have never experienced that?

    #331462
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    It’s in Scribd and Open Library and I’m sure many other places.

    #331465
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    I don’t know anyone who understands that our healthcare, police, pensions, and every other social program is a form of socialism.

    I understand it and with we had socialized medicine too. Socialism isn’t a bad thing. Any form of government can be corrupt and bad depending on who’s running and what they do with it. Of course the U.S. doesn’t have a democracy currently, thanks to the dotad. He’s the fascist.

    #331466
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    @sree as the professor in the video I posted said, (and this isn’t an exact quote) you can’t have a civil rights movement without feminism. Women still don’t have equality and to fight for equality for women, one must also bring black people, especially black women, with them. So when I fight for equality, I metaphorically grab the hands of others no matter the colour of their skin, because we are talking human rights. While women can now get a credit card and a bank account without their father or husband, we still don’t get equal pay and many women get fired still for becoming pregnant (which happened to me a little 0ver 31 years ago and it still happens to women). The subject of equality is a big one that can be summed up into human rights.

    #331471

    Am I lucky or unlucky to have never experienced that?

    Peace of mind.

    vs.

    Up front familiarity with humanity’s horrors.

     

    Considering what Covid is doing and has yet to do, add to that the death of empathy and the growing mutual antagonism and hatred, that sprouting like weeds with the active help of America’s president Racist in Chief, you aren’t missing anything worth experiencing.

    I have the feeling you’ve got a lot in life that millions would envy.

    Be grateful, (& guilt-free at your good fortune and that you got their without trampling others) and enjoy your days to the best of your abilities, since our collective tomorrows are not going to get better.  Too many tipping points have been passed and too many believe in delusional thinking, and momentum is a terrible force when pointed in the wrong direction.

    #331481
    @sree
    Participant

    If they were using this to kill rich white kids, it would be changed by the end of the week.

    Objection, your Honor. This testimony is both argumentative and speculative because it’s unreliable, non-factual and takes the doctrine of qualified immunity beyond its judicial intent.

     

    #331486
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    But he’s right, @sree.

    #331489
    @timb
    Participant

    Am I lucky or unlucky to have never experienced that?

    Kudos to CC’s response to that question.

    My response is that I think you were specifically asking about being present when someone is directly making racial pejorative statements to (a) black person/s, live and in person.

    That is pretty rare, I would say, overall.  Sure there are viral memes that go around that show that it happens, but that is not part of normal social interaction, in most places

    #331506
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Objection, your Honor. This testimony is both argumentative and speculative because it’s unreliable, non-factual and takes the doctrine of qualified immunity beyond its judicial intent. –Sree

    I expected you would object to my speculation. However, have you ever looked at how Qualified Immunity is implemented? It is used to let police officers free after committing heinous crimes. You can look this up yourself. If it were being used to protect officers in cases where they accidentally caused harm in an honest attempt to do their job, then I wouldn’t have a problem with it. That’s what the vast majority of Americans believe is happening. They believe the system is just and will catch the few “bad apples”. They are wrong. You are wrong Sree.

    #331507
    @3point14rat
    Participant

    CC and Tim, my lack of even second-hand experience of the application of prejudice can’t help but make me ignorant of what the reality of it is. It’s not that I haven’t been the recipient of it, I haven’t even seen someone be the recipient.

    Empathy is my only means of tapping into the feelings of someone who’s been insulted/repressed/bullied/etc. due to their race/color/religion/gender/orientation/etc. But empathy without any first hand experience to back it up is too weak to be of any value in a conversation. It’s like me saying I know what a parent goes through when their child has been raped – I don’t, to such a degree that it is rude of me to even pretend I do.

    And that’s why ‘Black Lives Matter’ isn’t a topic I discuss, other than to agree with the premise.

    So I think the answer to my question of whether I’m lucky or not is: Both. I’m lucky that I haven’t seen some of the worst things one human can do to another (needless cruelty is a the top of my list of things that ruin my day). I’m unlucky because I can’t truly empathize with the pain so many people needlessly endure.

     

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    #331508
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    And that’s why ‘Black Lives Matter’ isn’t a topic I discuss, other than to agree with the premise. — 3pt

    But, you know that prejudice occurs right? And you know that it not only hurts individuals, but it harms how our economy works right? It imprisons people who should be functioning and voting members of our society. It is part of how all wages are kept low and all low income people are kept ignorant. It’s affecting you right now, even though you don’t “see” it.

     

    #331510
    @3point14rat
    Participant

    Lausten, yes, I know all that. But stating the obvious on here is pointless. We could also have a thread on how the sky is blue (and if oneguy and sree scoff and claim it’s sarcoline, that won’t give the thread more value.)

    Just because trolls keep this thread rolling doesn’t mean there is value to it. The main thing this does is allow you folks to hone your discussion points and see the angles that the trolls use to fend off intelligent discussion. I totally get that and have enjoyed making many a post to someone who I know is not going to ‘get it’, simply for the enjoyment of writing and having fun with words [oh how I don’t miss Sherlock Holmes].

    I absolutely see the value in this thread and hopefully the ideas you and the others are able to fine-tune on here can be used in the real world where they will affect change, however small. But my desire to join you in explaining obvious stuff to a couple of thoughtless clowns is pretty low, partly because I have no experience with the topic and partly because I would not be able to control my anger and frustration with the trolls.

    If this was a scientific topic I’d participate, but when human rights are involved my emotions are too close to the surface and I get too angry and frustrated with the trolls to keep the discussion on a civil level.

    #331551
    @sree
    Participant

    They are wrong. You are wrong Sree.

    I know, and they all say that in prison.

    Look, here’s the deal. You are upset with the justice system because it’s unjust. Guess what, the whole system is rotten by one person’s reckoning or another. So, you either step away from a rigged card game or shut up and play. You won’t. Guess what, neither would Trump. He had been watching the injustice for a long time, pissed off like you are and decided to do something about it. Are you happier now?

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