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The coming Republican War On Marijuana. Hmmm, God vs. A citizen’s desire to cop a buzz – this’ll be interesting.


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  • #228474
    @mikeyohe
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    I’m very sceptical of Marijuana being safe for pregnant women – that goes against all medical advice I’m aware of.

    How can you have any medical advice at all? What has it been, over forty years ago the government classified marijuana as a class one drug, just until some medical testing could be done. Then the government held up all most all testing. Next was a worldwide war on marijuana, nobody wanted sanctions. So, do we know whether it is safe or not. No, I don’t think so. The most common drugs used during child birth are Morphine, Stadol, Fentanyl, Nubain and Demerol. And there is the possibility that these drugs are very expense in some countries and marijuana is cheap.

    It has been cultivated throughout history for hemp. There isn’t any evidence of widespread recreational use before the modern age.

    What is recreational use? Today we drink coffee for example. Is it for nutritional value? No, I don’t think so. Is it for medical value? No, I don’t think so. Could you say that one reason is, that it is used socially? I think that would be fair. Marijuana is believed to have been use in a drink that was used like we use coffee today. It has been found in the food preparing areas of buildings use back in the times of the silk roads. Then at the time of Jesus it has been found in food recipes.
    Article from LiveScience that says – “One of its burials had a large supply of processed Cannabis flowers in two containers”. It is interesting because there is only one use for the Cannabis flower. Now the question comes to mind, why the cannabis flower? Was it placed in the grave as food, money or for recreational use?
    http://www.livescience.com/56596-cannabis-shroud-found-in-ancient-grave.html

    #228504
    @mikeyohe
    Participant

    Beltane,
    Let’s focus on your term “widespread”. Would you say that there is widespread recreational use today of marijuana? Whoops, we first need to define “recreational”. California, one of the biggest users and growers of marijuana in the US was all medical {recreational} use until this year. It is called medical, but it is 99% used for recreational uses. Therefore if you are focused on medical use, you are chasing a dead horse. History may record the use differently. Once the science is done, yes, there has been theories of great possibilities of medical uses. Right now it is sort of like the cranberry, it has medical properties that people understand, but science hasn’t quite figured out how those properties work. But most cranberries are not consumed for its medical properties.
    Back to widespread. The first time I saw marijuana was at the coffee shops back in 62’ or 63’. It was openly used by the beatniks. It was not uncommon when hitchhiking to share a joint. And it was not uncommon for a wooden bowl of weed to be on the table of homes, especially in the beach areas of California. I remember San Francisco as being really open to weed. The hippest spot was the Geysers just north of San Francisco. To match that today you would have to go to Hempcon in Los Angeles or Hempcon at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. But no, it is not yet as widespread in the freedom of use today as decades ago.
    Point being, if the use of marijuana a few decades ago is not well documented, what makes you think that you can find documentation of the amount of usage for medical verses recreational a millennium ago?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28034925/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/worlds-oldest-marijuana-stash-totally-busted/#.WFwgQfkrKUk

    #228646
    @beltane
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    I’m very sceptical of Marijuana being safe for pregnant women – that goes against all medical advice I’m aware of.

    How can you have any medical advice at all? What has it been, over forty years ago the government classified marijuana as a class one drug, just until some medical testing could be done. Then the government held up all most all testing. Next was a worldwide war on marijuana, nobody wanted sanctions. So, do we know whether it is safe or not. No, I don’t think so.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_on_Drug_Abuse

    The most common drugs used during child birth are Morphine, Stadol, Fentanyl, Nubain and Demerol. And there is the possibility that these drugs are very expense in some countries and marijuana is cheap.

    That is possible, although I can’t locate studies on it. It wouldn’t change the fact that drug abuse by pregnant women has been researched to a great degree and found to be entirely negative.

    #228647
    @beltane
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    Point being, if the use of marijuana a few decades ago is not well documented, what makes you think that you can find documentation of the amount of usage for medical verses recreational a millennium ago?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28034925/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/worlds-oldest-marijuana-stash-totally-busted/#.WFwgQfkrKUk

    History and Archaeology of course. We know nearly all literate ancient civilizations were aware of the pharmacological effects of Marijuana; the classical and near east civilizations documented their use of wine, along with descriptions of its harmful effects, so it’s reasonable to think they would have also documented recreational use of Marijuana if it was a common activity. Since they didn’t, we can file that away under “probably not”.

    #228648
    @darrons
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    Not to mention legalizing marijuana for recreational use is a bad idea.

    Do you have any objective evidence to back that opinion?
    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nida-review-summarizes-research-marijuanas-negative-health-effects
    So don’t let teenagers use pot. Problem solved.

    #228650
    @mikeyohe
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    Point being, if the use of marijuana a few decades ago is not well documented, what makes you think that you can find documentation of the amount of usage for medical verses recreational a millennium ago?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28034925/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/worlds-oldest-marijuana-stash-totally-busted/#.WFwgQfkrKUk

    History and Archaeology of course. We know nearly all literate ancient civilizations were aware of the pharmacological effects of Marijuana; the classical and near east civilizations documented their use of wine, along with descriptions of its harmful effects, so it’s reasonable to think they would have also documented recreational use of Marijuana if it was a common activity. Since they didn’t, we can file that away under “probably not”.
    Marijuana in wine is still use today. Some items in history see no need for documentation. For example why do we drink coffee? What was the reason for passing an olive branch? The levels of heaven were so well understood by people that they were not written about. Now people are trying to understand them. Today most people assume they know the answers. That happens in religion a lot. For example, praying. When did religion start praying? Where are we at in the Age of Deities, increasing or decreasing? A very simple question, that no one asks. And I think the reason is they don’t understand enough about the subject to ask some of the basic questions. Marijuana, may have been used for a coffee like drink, as a form of money for trade, for medical reasons, for seasoning of food, for recreational reasons and for religious reasons.

    #228851
    @beltane
    Participant

    Interesting news] – marijuana related illness on the rise in Colorado.

    #228862

    Interesting news] – marijuana related illness on the rise in Colorado.

    Yeah that looks pretty terrifying

    He and his team found that the number of hospital visits for CHS doubled since medical marijuana became prevalent. The study takes a closer look at more than 2,500 hospital visits. From 2008 to 2009, the study found there were 41 visits to emergency rooms for CHS. From 2010 to 2011, after what the study describes as the “post-liberalization” period for medical marijuana, the number jumped to 87 ER visits. …
    Dr. Heard says CHS is not a major health problem if you compare it side by side to the consequences of alcohol use. However, he adds that symptoms can be severe and can last for months. …
    “The biggest problem we’ve seen with this disease is that until now, it’s been unrecognized and therefore, these people are suffering longer than they need to.” …
    Dr. Heard says CHS is in many ways still a mystery. He still doesn’t know the reason marijuana triggers symptoms like nausea and stomach pain.
    Only that there definitely seems to be a link.
    People who have the illness have found ways to relieve the symptoms by taking hot showers and relaxing. …

    I wonder how the domestic abuse statistics are doing?

    #228864
    @darrons
    Participant

    Oh my god, 87 hospital visits in two years. The world is ending. Wonder how many people visited due to flu.

    #228879

    California, one of the biggest users and growers of marijuana in the US was all medical {recreational} use until this year. It is called medical, but it is 99% used for recreational uses.

    Interesting typical Republican self-certain absolutist pronouncements.
    “Recreational” what a cute term. Mike, is it something like Recreational Sex as opposed to Procreational Sex, and damned you if you want to do it for fun.
    Care to clarify?
    I bring it up because I know from previous lives, restaurant days, dealing with a lot of people, including in managerial positions to having to deal with people and their problems.
    Seems to me a lot of people I know who use pot, I would have to categorize as self-medicating. Anti-anxiety and relaxant and sleep aid, sometime appetite stimulus when needed.
    What’s wrong with that?
    What is it with the self-righteous religious Republican mindscape and below their surface nothing but insecurity tormented into hatefulness –
    the Republican religious mind doing their personal god’s duty gotta inject their own disgusting bile into it.
    Spitting out pronouncements like that.
    __________________________________
    Think back on restaurant days, it just occurred to me, many many times, where there were “scenes” between parents and kids, it was the asshole parents forcing the scene by their own rudeness and insistence on micromanaging everything and doing so with a decided egomaniacal streak. +What you little %$@# you don’t want to do it like I want you to do it, how dare you……
    Republican’s nasty self-righteous paternalistic-mania – oh how much saner the world would be without it. :long:

    #228880
    @mikeyohe
    Participant

    California, one of the biggest users and growers of marijuana in the US was all medical {recreational} use until this year. It is called medical, but it is 99% used for recreational uses.

    Interesting typical Republican self-certain absolutist pronouncements.
    “Recreational” what a cute term. Mike, is it something like Recreational Sex as opposed to Procreational Sex, and damned you if you want to do it for fun.
    Care to clarify?
    I bring it up because I know from previous lives, restaurant days, dealing with a lot of people, including in managerial positions to having to deal with people and their problems.
    Seems to me a lot of people I know who use pot, I would have to categorize as self-medicating. Anti-anxiety and relaxant and sleep aid, sometime appetite stimulus when needed.
    What’s wrong with that?
    What is it with the self-righteous religious Republican mindscape and below their surface nothing but insecurity tormented into hatefulness –
    the Republican religious mind doing their personal god’s duty gotta inject their own disgusting bile into it.
    Spitting out pronouncements like that.
    __________________________________
    Think back on restaurant days, it just occurred to me, many many times, where there were “scenes” between parents and kids, it was the asshole parents forcing the scene by their own rudeness and insistence on micromanaging everything and doing so with a decided egomaniacal streak. +What you little %$@# you don’t want to do it like I want you to do it, how dare you……
    Republican’s nasty self-righteous paternalistic-mania – oh how much saner the world would be without it. :long:
    CC, you’re just trying to put a political twist on everything. You need to look at the facts. Marijuana is following a lot of the same paths as alcohol during prohibition. You could still buy alcohol during prohibition for medical reasons. But once the prohibition was over, doctors stopped writing prescriptions for alcohol. And if you follow your line of thought, then alcohol is also self-medicating. The one percent spent on the medical use in California comes to about a billion dollar in the dispensary market. Which I would guess is about 10% for real medical use. Which is still a lot of medical use. The rest of the 30 billion dollar market is handled in the black market or the markets in other states.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2016/11/18/california-marijuana-industry-25-billion-opportunity/94074848/
    I personally have help the marijuana workers union get up and running in this area and changed the arresting policies in the county on marijuana. I get a dozen calls a week for help with marijuana issues mainly from the growers and workers. I have helped setup and operate farmers markets that makes product from the growers available directly to the users. The product line from food to soap is growing bigger all the time.
    If anyone ever needed marijuana to chill out, you do dude. Talk is cheap, what have you done besides trash Republicans and display your hate for those who don’t dance to your liking? You make it obvious you don’t like Republicans and you don’t like Trump. Trump’s political history shows that he became a Republican in 1987 then changed to run as candidate in the Independence Party. Then became a Democrat again. Trump has never been a conservative. Trump has switch parties five times since 1987. I would have to say that Trump is more of a true Democrat than a Republican. Where you are stuck on the political parties, the people voted for Trump because he is not a DC insider and Hillary is.

    #228905

    marijuana workers union

    How about a local and date of this MWU forming.
    Given your implied knowledge of the topic – How in hell do you come up with Marijuana and Alcohol being equivalent? :ohh:

    #228911

    If anyone ever needed marijuana to chill out, you do dude. Talk is cheap, what have you done besides trash Republicans and display your hate for those who don’t dance to your liking?

    Ahh, yeah RIGHT ON CUE 😆
    The good ol name calling and gratuitous distraction, – another specialty of the Republican Delusional Mindscape.

    You make it obvious you don’t like Republicans and you don’t like Trump. Trump’s political history shows that he became a Republican in 1987 then changed to run as candidate in the Independence Party. Then became a Democrat again. Trump has never been a conservative. Trump has switch parties five times since 1987. I would have to say that Trump is more of a true Democrat than a Republican. Where you are stuck on the political parties, the people voted for Trump because he is not a DC insider and Hillary is.

    More distraction and ignoring the real issue.
    Yes, I have grown to despise many Republicans – and there are genuine defensible reasons for that.
    Something changed about Republicans since the 70s –
    Highjacking the Jesus Freak Movement may have been a genius stroke for Reagan, but it was a disaster for the future of rationality and sanity within the Republican Party.
    They found religion and absolutism and an egomaniacal disregard (nay, hatred) for everything that don’t fall within their dogma.
    Used to be you showed how much you loved god by how you lived your life –
    Now just all about Talk and exclusionism and absolutism and telling everyone else how to live their lives – even about stuff that ain’t none of their damned business anyways –
    oh but nooo, they are on “God’s Mission” so no one else’s ethics and standards and knowledge means a thing – it’s all to be discarded preferably burned.
    The foundation for this is that these people actually and truly believe they have connected to the true God of Time and Creation, Life and Love,
    and that they are carrying out their personal God’s “Will.”
    A few decades ago that would have gotten you a trip to the luny farm.
    Now we got half the country believing if they don’t like what science tells them, they can ignore it because god is on their side.
    It’s shear insanity and no I’ll never get used to it!
    As for Trump, toss all the deluded excuses you want at me –
    None of that outshines the glaring reality of Herrn Trump:
    His campaign was build on a river lies, and slander.
    The Russians did much to help him, because they like what he can do for Russia – they don’t care too much about American.
    I don’t know about you, but I’m American and yes, I’m pissed off that we got a god-damned Russian Obligate as President and now he wants to make the CEO EXXON*
    another demonstrable Russian Obligate as Secretary of State of the United States.
    How could any patriotic American not be pissed and scared by all this :smirk:
    Oh and that idiot conceit that an “outsider” that never had any interest government can do a better job then some who understands the system and has worked within it.
    He’s an outsider, give me break Mike and next time your car needs fixing take it to a gardner, his outsider perspective might find that pesky bug.

    On top of that he has absolutely no understanding of, nor interest in, the world beyond self-aggrandizement and business deals.
    The President of The United States demands much more than that.
    And then there’s EXXON and their CEO, do you know that Exxon scientists themselves made clear that continuing unrestrained release of greenhouse gases would warm our
    planet past the comfort point for human society. What do they do, rather that retooling, accepting slower growth, helping steer our economy towards a less destructive avenue.
    But nope, immediate and maximized profits and personal bonuses came first, concern for the well being of this biosphere that we depend on for everything came last.
    Tell me Mike, why shouldn’t everyone be livid with such bullshit???

    #228921
    @mikeyohe
    Participant

    Tell me Mike, why shouldn’t everyone be livid with such bullshit???

    They shouldn’t be livid, because most of what you claim is not true in the context that you claim.

    #228966
    @darrons
    Participant

    Tell me Mike, why shouldn’t everyone be livid with such bullshit???

    They shouldn’t be livid, because most of what you claim is not true in the context that you claim.
    I want to hear more about that alleged marijuana workers union.

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