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  • #333127
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    Haha, good one.

    #333152
    @widdershins
    Participant

    I have been saying for a couple years now that we’re actually heading toward a surfdom.  The economic model in this country, and across the world, is “trickle UP economics”.  The wealthy are taking more and more, encouraging consumerism, planned obsolescence and disposable products.  All of the wealth is being shifted to just a few people.  Eventually there will be so little left to take that they won’t be able to accumulate any more.  And they’ll own all the land too.  So what’s to stop them from saying, “Work for me and I won’t kick you off my land”?  Hell, by then it will seem like a “fair” exchange because you could never afford the rent even if you did have a good regular job.

    #333158
    @timb
    Participant

    To be fair there are decent Republicans with reasonable views and desires.  The problem is finding them.  4 Republicans spoke on opening night of the DNC.

    I DIFFERENTIATE the small % of remaining Republicans from the t rumps hoards of Repugnant LIARS (RepugLIARS).

    I am actually growing somewhat fond of the Conservatives who are still Republicans or are former Republicans who are NOW NEVER- t rumpers.  (e.g., The Lincoln Project).

    I sincerely hope that they survive to re-establish the Republican Party, once the metastasized malignancy of most RepugLIARS are crushed out of existence by an overwhelming win by Joe Biden in the upcoming election.

     

    #333188
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    I have been saying for a couple years now that we’re actually heading toward a surfdom.

    Good thing most people don’t live near the beach.

    #333191
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    To be fair there are decent Republicans with reasonable views and desires.  The problem is finding them.  4 Republicans spoke on opening night of the DNC.

    That depends what views are considered reasonable. The republicans who spoke are harmless nobodies — but maybe that is appealing behavior to democrats.

    Virtually all republicans stand for nothing besides expanding big business and lowering taxes.  They can’t even be bothered to be anti-liberal. The few who might  not stand for that don’t put up any fight, so they’re totally worthless.   You gotta wonder if they only stay in the game because they’re receiving gifts from both sides.  Republican voters are very odd in that they don’t get much out of it, yet they don’t really suffer from the party’s narrow policies either;  it’s probably a boomer thing.

    At any rate the GOP will probably die out soon because of demographic changes, so there’s that.

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    #333195
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    @widdershin

    he economic model in this country, and across the world, is “trickle UP economics”.

    No, it’s trickle down economics. Has been ever since (or at least) Reagan was in office. The idea is that the wealth will trickle down to the masses, but it hasn’t. With your version, it’s trickles up from the poor up to the rich, but that’s not how it works in the U.S. It starts with the rich and (in theory) trickles down to the poor- very poorly. Robert Reich made a video about this. He’s actually made several on economics. I can’t find the one where he uses a pie to explain economic inequality, but I do have these two concerning trickle down economic:

    #333208
    @timb
    Participant

    Have you all noticed that when Republican Presidents are in power, our economies eventually go bust bigtime (THOUGH THE WEALTHY STILL GET MORE WEALTHY)?  And when Democrats have the POTUS office, the economy, FOR US ALL, does well?

     

     

    #333211
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Have you all noticed that when Republican Presidents are in power, our economies eventually go bust bigtime — timb

    I have, and I forget where I read it, probably some article on Modern Monetary Theory. It might be a Left vs Right thing, or it might be more of an evil plan by the Illuminati. The way it works is, half of the one-party system claims they are fiscally conservative when really they aren’t and they get to spend while claiming they are “stimulating” the economy and “creating jobs”. The other half claims they are for the little guy and they debate the 2% of the budget that is for social programs, they fight against tax cuts for the rich and they spend on infrastructure that is actually needed so the economy actually is stimulated enough for a bit. Both of them know that voters get tired of either one of these strategies and will keep flipping back every 8 years.

    #333216
    @widdershins
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    That depends what views are considered reasonable. The republicans who spoke are harmless nobodies — but maybe that is appealing behavior to democrats.

    What I consider “reasonable” is wanting to preserve our democracy and the rights of the people to vote.  Everybody knows full well that a Republican Senate would very much NOT have acquitted Obama of the charges levied against Trump.  We have had absolute proof of collusion from the beginning.  Jr took the Trump Tower meeting for the express purpose of colluding with the Russian government for help with the election.  And he illegally held up funds appropriated by Congress to coerce help from a different foreign government.  The Benghazi “investigation” ended a month after the 2016 elections, when it was no longer needed as a political weapon.  The Biden investigations are slated to start in September to get the maximum impact from the news cycle.  Trump admitted that he didn’t want to fund the Post Office because he didn’t want people’s mail-in votes getting through.  And before that he admitted that he wanted fewer people to vote because if we all voted we’d never elect a Republican again.  Twice in 16 years a Republican lost the popular vote but won the presidency because they managed to gerrymander the system so much a couple of decades ago.  All of these things are assaults on democracy (yes, I know we’re actually a Republic, the favorite distraction of anyone hoping to avoid defending assaults on the democratic process).  Republicans hate democracy.  They are waging a constant and unrelenting assault on democracy in an attempt to replace the will of the people with their own will.  That’s not American and it’s not decent.

    No, it’s trickle down economics.

    Bear with me here and I’ll explain why I said that.  Yes, Republicans are still championing “trickle down economics”, though they’ve never called it that themselves.  But that’s just the excuse they use to put the icing on the cake in the form of tax breaks and deregulation.  But if you look at what’s actually happening most people live paycheck to paycheck.  The corporations provide enough for people to live shitty lives while taking it all back every week in exchange for their products and services.  Wealth disparity has been increasing drastically the last couple of decades or so.  All of the world’s wealth is pooling at the top.

    And that’s why I was saying the reality is trickle up economics.  Most people didn’t notice that when the tax breaks for the poor expire they will actually be paying 20% HIGHER taxes.  Not sure if that made it into the final bill.  But the lowest tax bracket went from 10% to 12% when the tax cuts expired.  The intent was to make the poor pay “their fare share”, allowing the tax burden to shift further away from the wealthy.

    The point is that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.  The top 1% owned 23% of the wealth in 1989.  They owned 32% of the wealth in 2018.  Where did they get the extra 9 percentage points?  From us.  It has “trickled up” from the poor to the ultra-rich.  The mythical trickle down economics is not a real thing and it never was.  It’s an idea that doesn’t work, but if you keep trying it over and over again it supports the very real trickle up economics which really governs the world.

    #333228
    @timb
    Participant

    Apple is now worth $2 Trillion.  Must be nice to gain extravagant wealth during a pandemic and general economic collapse.

    But that’s good.  Cause now, Apple can afford to be taxed out the wahzoo.

    #333232
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    Apple is known for not paying taxes.

    #333243
    @widdershins
    Participant

    Under Trump’s tax cuts the number of companies not paying any taxes at all doubled.

    #333246
    @timb
    Participant

    Apple is known for not paying taxes.

    Then it’s time for that to change.  Vote Biden/Harris 2020.

    #333247
    @timb
    Participant

    But allow me not to neglect Widdershins claim that what would work in saving our economy from itself, would be policies that promote “trickle up – economics”.

    Only it would not be a trickle if the money goes to the people who need it the most. It would be a stream. Because they spend it, right away.  When the extravagantly wealthy, get govt funds, they are more likely to hoard it in some way, rather than to spend or invest it back in to the economy.

    So yes Widdershins, let’s move to the rational approach, away from the bogus “trickle down” LIE.  Let’s move to “stream up” economics.   Vote Biden/Harris 2020.

    #333254

    Good thing most people don’t live near the beach.

    Oh dear me child.  You say such silly things, apparently without actually thinking about what you are saying.  Guess it’s explains why so many can be duped into being a trump fans.  Thoughtless is as thoughtless does.

    What percentage of the American population lives near the coast?

    As of 2014, nearly 40% of the population lived in counties on the coast.

    https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/population.html

     

    Next he’ll say, so what.  Well, . . .

    oceanservice.noaa _ gov/facts/sealevel _html

    sealevelrise  .  org

    Although the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950, nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred (since 2000). This small increase in sea level has caused on average a 233% increase in tidal flooding across the United States.

    e360.yale _ edu/features/flooding-hot-spots-why-seas-are-rising-faster-on-the-u.s.-east-coast

     

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