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Climate Alarmist vs. Skeptic


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This topic contains 29 replies, has 8 voices, and was last updated by  Patrick D 1 week, 1 day ago.

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  • #300421

    How will capitalism surviving climate change?  Hmmm, interesting concept.  I hate being the party pooper, but since you brought it up.  How much do you know about today’s Earth’s trajectories* and how that compares with changes and consequences in Earth’s deep past?  Guess I can understand no one wanting to acknowledge it, it really really does suck, but it’s what we’ve done.  Only takes some sober honest historical perspective to recognize things have been slipping away, specially this past half century – but it’s been a historical trend for quite some time, avarice and the golden rule has made sure of that.

    *(Atmospheric GHG gases, ocean acidification, ocean anoxic events,  food chain disruption, weather intensification particularly the hydrological cycles, worse hurricanes, worse droughts, worse down pours, worse heat waves, sadly I could go on with silly things like insect population collapses, and so on.  This isn’t make believe, these are consequences of our own actions and they are unfolding under our noses.)

    #300472

    TimB
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    I suspect that capitalism will ultimately fall only when/if it becomes unnecessary.  The ravages of natural disasters, wars, climate change will more likely, I think, exacerbate the problems of price gouging profitized purveyors of unfettered exploitative capitalistic practices.  This happens today, when there isn’t even disasters but simply people needing healthcare.

    #300481

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    You would think a collapse in the superstructure is the only thing thats going to avoid catastrophy

    #300490

    TimB
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    Well, let’s be more positive in our imagination.  Maybe free energy technologies will emerge, humanistic ideals will evolve across human cultures, and the need for capitalism will subside.  It happened in Star Trek.

    #300492

    Patrick D
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    Found this clip, which demonstrates  how I feel about climate change deniers:

     

    #300497

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    that would be too little too late and nothing is free

    #300513

    TimB
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    Is the above clip part of a documentary on Republican controlled Florida?

    #300515

    Patrick D
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    “Is the above clip part of a documentary on Republican controlled Florida?”

    Ah, I gather Florida is a bit like our ‘deep north’ ,Queensland: Hot/ tropical, arse deep in retirees, politically just right of Attila  The Hun. Queensland is also our Bible belt and home to a disproportionately high number of  con men and real estate frauds.  The majority of people who fall for a range of computer and phone scams seem to live on the Gold Coast. Is that sound anything like Florida?

    I seem to remember there were claims  of electoral fraud in Florida when Dubya was elected.  Wasn’t the governor of Florida  Dubya’s brother/cousin.?

    PS never worked out why  JWB was proud of being a pubic wig.  I heard him say it, several times “A’hm proud to be a merkin”

    #300518

    TimB
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    Yeah, then Gov Bush (brother of W) helped get the election called for W instead of for Gore.

    #300519

    TimB
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    Over here you find lots of people who claim they are proud to be a merkin.  I don’t know why.  I suppose it would be an honorable occupation if one were serving ppl who lose their pubic hair due to something like chemotherapy.

    #300544

    thatoneguy
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    Ah, I gather Florida is a bit like our ‘deep north’ ,Queensland: Hot/ tropical, arse deep in retirees, politically just right of Attila The Hun. Queensland is also our Bible belt and home to a disproportionately high number of con men and real estate frauds. The majority of people who fall for a range of computer and phone scams seem to live on the Gold Coast. Is that sound anything like Florida?

    Nah, except for the retirees.

    Florida is a mix of Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, and White drug addicts. It’s not particularly religious or right wing. Real estate fraud is rather common, maybe because of the high number of chosen people.

    The bible belt is further north, funnily enough.

    #300590

    TimB
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    I think Florida may have a rep for being a land of crazies, mostly because the nutso’s get more publicity there than elsewhere.

    But they do have some hard – righters there.  They don’t want climate change to even be discussed, although Florida will be one of the worst hit by rising sea levels.

    #300597

    Patrick D
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    I seem to remember a news piece about a small Island state which WILL be underwater soon.  Can’t help but wonder about Bangladesh; most of the country is no more than 10 metres above sea level, and experiences regular flooding already. Have no idea about the Netherlands.

    My perception is that as climate change continues, many large coastal cities will be flooded. London comes to mind. Situated on the river Thames, a tidal river. The English have already built flood gates across the Thames, which can be closed as needed. Can’t help but wonder how London will  fare.

    Of course, my own city of Adelaide is on the coast. Perhaps good news is that the city is built along a creek we like to call “The River  Torrens”. The only reason it has water, especially in Summer, is because of a weir, built on the outskirts of the city.

    My city has  some pleasant hills to the east of the city. They are called “The Mount Lofty Ranges’ . Perhaps I’m being a bit unfair; the Mount Lofty rangers were indeed once high mountains, but they have been worn down over time. Geologically, they are far older than the Himalayas .

    I suspect the worse that will happen to Australia in regards to flooding is that  all coastal cities will need to move inland.   However, the changes in temperature are another story entirely. Some of  climate change  drongos don’t seem to have grasped just  how little median world temperatures need to rise for food production to be come exceedingly difficult. Vast numbers of people WILL starve.—-

    BUT——-probably  good thing if the human race was reduced by 98%. I think that leaves about 140 million.  Much more than needed for  a sustainable breeding population. Just as long as I’m NOT one of the 2%; I think life might be a bit unpleasant for those folks.

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    “BUT——-probably  good thing if the human race was reduced by 98%. I think that leaves about 140 million.  Much more than needed for  a sustainable breeding population. Just as long as I’m NOT one of the 2%; I think life might be a bit unpleasant for those folks.”

     

     

    Told that to your kids??

    #300609

    Patrick D
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    Told that to your kids??

    Kids?

    I have never felt the need to have little duplicates running around. I’m sure you’d agree, that one of me is more than enough.

    I didn’t marry until I was over 30. Took me that long to find a woman who really didn’t want kids either. Regrets about not having kids? “I’ve had a few, but then again, too few to mention” (with apologies to Frank Sinatra)

    Of course the 98% deal is  simply a fantasy. The planet and most other species would certainly be better off without humans to stuff everything up, but that is unlikely to happen any time soon..

    Did I mention that one of my more sterling qualities is  misanthropy?  BUT, I am no bigot; I hate everyone equally. In truth, not everyone. There are a goodly number of people I quite like, fewer that I really care about, and fewer again who I love. I consider my feelings anything special, but perhaps by bluntness about those feelings is a tad unusual.

    I actually quite like some of the people on this forum.  I also quite liked the nice man who sold me my new car, yesterday.

    Another hard truth: We are incapable of caring about everyone. A person would go mad trying. ‘Misanthrope’  is just another word for ‘realist’

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