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Did the Mueller report establish "No Collusion"?


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  • #300285

    TimB
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    The Liar Donald J. Trump and other Trumpublicans tell us just about every day that the Mueller report determined that there was “No Collusion”.

    Here is what the Mueller report actually said about collusion:

    “In evaluating whether evidence of collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of collusion.

    That is a direct quote, and pretty much the jist of what the Mueller report determined about collusion.  They determined not to even use the concept of collusion.

    If you look closely at the statement u will see the reference to evidence of “collective action of multiple individuals” that was revealed later in the report. They DID NOT consider whether that “collective action of multiple individuals” constituted “collusion.  They never tried to determine ANYTHING about “collusion”.

     

    #300311

    MikeYohe
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    Mueller job was to prosecute any crimes found and write a report to the AG. Collusion is not a crime. That is why he applied the framework of the conspiracy law.

    Then the AG, who the report was written for, went to congress and told them there was no conspiracy or collusion as relating to Trump.

    AG Barr just appointed John Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, who will conduct the inquiry on if the federal authorities had criminal intent when it conducted the surveillance Trump. As well as whether Democrats were the ones who improperly conspired with foreign actors.

    #300316

    Player
    Participant

    youre not still claiming  that the election was lost because of Russia? Flogging a dead horse?

    #300330

    TimB
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    Atm, I am claiming with certainty that the Mueller report made NO DETERMINATION about “collusion”.  Barr misrepresented the Mueller report.  He is a mere flunky for Trump. He is barely more credible than Trump, and that is saying a lot.

    Every time that anyone claims – EVERYTIME ANYONE CLAIMS- that the Mueller report showed that there was “no collusion”, that claim IS A LIE. In fact, the Mueller investigation did not consider whether collusion occurred.

    It would be similar to claiming that the Mueller report showed “no efficacy of vaccines”.  This claim would be a lie for the same reason, the Mueller report did not consider whether vaccines are efficacious.

    #300341

    Player
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    So where you going with this?

    #300403

    TimB
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    I don’t like hearing lies spouted everyday and allowed to stand unopposed.

    Putin said today or yesterday that the Mueller report officially determined that there was not a “shred of collusion”.  The lie repeated with hyperbole, unopposed.

     

    #300419

    Player
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    Election was lost because of russia????

    #300430

    Election was lost because of russia????

    Tough question, I think Hilary lost the election.  Though on the other hand from all the stuff that’s come out, which Trumpsters turn their steadfast brain-dead blind eyes aways from, it’s getting clearer all the time that Trump could not have won without Russia’s help.

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    #300439

    LoisL
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    @citizenchallenge

     

    Hillary  only”lost” because of the electoral college. 3 million more voters voted for her than voted for Trump. He said early on that the election was rigged. He was 100% correct. It was rigged against Hillary by Trump and his minions with a lot of help from the Russians. They wanted a fool in the White House and they managed to pull it off.

     

     

     

     

    #300442

    Player
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    Can u give me a example how russia sabotaged the election?

    #300445

    TimB
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    Start with pages 14-33 of the Mueller report.  This is just the part about the Russian Internet Research Agency.  The Russians started this in 2014.  Again this is ONLY the social media component of their interference.  These pages are CHOCK FULL of information re: the extensive and intensive actions directed by Russian interference in the 2016 election.  The info is presented concisely yet still takes about 20 pages to pack it all in.

    The White House and all things Trump must hope desperately that few Americans will ever read the Mueller report or otherwise learn all that the Russians did or how the Trump campaign interacted with what the Russians did. (For some of the latter, you have to start on page 33/34.

    #300446

    Player
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    Yes ok. Can you be more specific? What action or actions?

    #300447

    3point14rat
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    Hey Player. Since you access this forum on the internet, use the same internet to search “evidence of Russian interference in election“. And unless you choose to deny every search result that doesn’t confirm your current beliefs, you should find plenty of information to satisfy your inquisitive mind.

     

    #300448

    TimB
    Participant

    I think that the Russian disinformation machine may be the most successful in blanketing (for years now) the public with the idea that Russian interference is a hoax.  It is now commonly believed by many if not most Americans that the Russians did little and certainly nothing effective in interfering in our 2016 election.

    The propaganda continues (somewhat effectively) to maintain that myth.

    The Russians, in fact, did a hell of a LOT in interfering in the 2016 election.  How could it not be one of the salient factors in the outcome of that election?  There were a lot of salient factors that contributed to the outcome of that election, but dismissing the sweeping and intensive actions of the Russians is ridiculous and dangerous.

    #300449

    TimB
    Participant

    Player, I gave the pages of the Mueller report info for u to look at re: what the Russians did with their IRA.  There is simply too much evidence in those pages to quote and re-construct here.

    If u want to look at all the evidence in those 20 pages and try to debunk it point by point, have at it.

    But again, this is only 1 component of the Russian interference in the 2016 election.

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