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Doctrine of Creation


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    socrat44
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    Doctrine of Creation
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    Creation is a process.
    This process can be known by math / physical laws.
    But before to know how this process is going, it needs
    to know something about reference frame in which
    this process is going. because to describe fish it needs
    water and to describe animals it needs another
    reference frame — land. The reference frame has
    great influence on physical process. Specific
    reference frame is the common ground of all specific creations.
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    The creation began from simple to complex,
    from micro-particles world to microworld.
    Then it needs to know: in which reference
    frame the micro-particles can exist.
    #
    Today we know — micro-particles exist in CERN / LHC .reference frame.
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    #302462

    Player
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    Why did you use the word creation??

    #302465

    socrat44
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    @player
    Where is the source of the physical / material Creation of the Universe ?

    #302466

    Player
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    I dont know.  Who says the universe must have  a source?? Why did u use the word creation??

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    #302512

    Philosophicus
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    socrat44,

    I know there’s no scientific evidence for creation, but I’m ok with speculating about it. I just don’t think the universe or life had a creator outside the laws of physics. I’ve heard of the ancient alien theory, which says that aliens triggered life on this planet, but I’d like to know where the aliens came from. They must’ve evolved too. If there’s a creator of the universe, I’d like to know how it created it and how it originated.

     

    Philosophicus

    #302514

    socrat44
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    @philosophicus
    ”Creator” doesn’t exist out of the laws of physics / math

    #302518

    Player
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    What do you mean soc?

    #302527

    Seems to me the “Standard Model Of The Big Bang Theory” covers all that.

    http://physicsanduniverse.com/standard-model-of-the-big-bang-theory/

    Or?

     

    #302533

    socrat44
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    Big-bang has one problem
    Big-bang doesn’t explain: where does matter come from ?
    Big-bang says:
    singular point came from big-bang and vice versa
    ( ping – pong )

    #302534

    TimB
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    god prefers ping pong to dice OR god disapproves of both?

    #302541

    socrat44
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    Every game has its rule

    #302542

    Player
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    for this universe others for alternative universes. No creator required here

    #302547

    socrat44
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    Creator knew mathematics to do his work
    If you don’t believe me, ask:
    where does mathematics come from ?
    In the other words, to understand math needs consciousness,
    more concrete: math itself is consciousness.
    It can mean:
    In the beginning was Mathematisian who created everything
    ==========

    #302548

    Player
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    need a mind for consciousness. You havent demonstrated this with your creator

    #302550

    Lausten
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    Creator knew mathematics to do his work
    If you don’t believe me, ask:
    where does mathematics come from ?

    And where did the Creator come from? Not being snarky, it’s a legitimate question. You can’t solve a complex problem by proposing something complex behind the solution. You just create another problem that needs to be explained. Not that the math behind the creation of the universe isn’t complex, but it’s not consciousness, it’s not a cause as we understand cause. Once you say something like “Creator knew”, you just made a new level of how things are known and how that knowing came to be.

    The theories on creation of space and time as we know it involve physics that doesn’t require space and time as we know it. We are looking out from our view of reality, so it’s pretty difficult for us to figure it out, and maybe we never will. I certainly can’t explain it. I can barely understand the theories. But I can easily see the flaws in reasoning that posits a magic creator.

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