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Freedom from craving?


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    Xain
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    It’s a Buddhist magazine.

    PErsonally, I just get the sense that suicide would be an easier option if your goal is to not suffer anymore. I mean granted there is no rule or law about HOW one has to live their life, but to me seeking this option just feels……off for some reason. Like I get that I might be at peace yes, yet…I don’t know about it. It was similar to what I said in a other post about that guy saying “you aren’t happy because you don’t want to be”. But that’s not it. This is similar to the argument that if you could be hooked to a machine and be permanently happy, would you do so? I personally would say no. Because even though I suffer and such it still makes for an interesting life. I know they argue that most of our suffering comes from within us and not outside (since not everyone responds to the same thing in a similar way), but I don’t think that means that we CHOOSE to suffer, I think it’s more complex than that.

    #304078

    Lausten
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    You don’t have to look any further than the first paragraph to see they are not talking about ending all suffering. The third noble truth is the cessation of dukkha. It’s not “be happy all the time”.

    Some years ago, in reflecting on this third noble truth, I began to understand the Buddha’s words in a new and more immediate way. Rather than understanding the end of craving only as some far-off goal, as the end of the path in the distant future, or as some special meditative state to try to sustain, I understood it as being a practice to experience right now, in each moment.

    It’s a practice, an exercise that you do regularly. You don’t just get to get into shape then stay that way, you have to keep doing the exercises. When it talks about reaching a state of mind during meditation, that would be like getting into your aerobic zone while jogging. But you don’t stay there.

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    Besides there’s up sides to craving.

    Ever been out hiking on a hot day and gone through water faster than you thought you would. Then you get thirsty – keep going – then you get scared – keep going – then you start craving – keep going –  then you finally get to your destination thinking of nothing but that guzzle of water.

    Craving it like you never knew craving.

    Then you finally get that long deep draft of cool water and you Realize (Yes with a capital R) what water really tastes like and what a fantastic wonder it is – this thing you’ve always taken so for granted.

    Moral, even craving has its up side.

    I’ve always thought the essence of that sort of Buddhist thinking is to allow those swings to happen – but being aware enough to appreciate, this too shall pass, and becoming okay with that, then the extremes start losing their sting.

     

    #304090

    Lausten
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    I’ve always thought the essence of that sort of Buddhist thinking is to allow those swings to happen – but being aware enough to appreciate, this too shall pass, and becoming okay with that, then the extremes start losing their sting.

    That’s my understanding too. I gave up on pursuing Buddhism any farther when I saw it as too much time spent doing nothing as a way to get a slightly more heightened experience while doing something. The Dalai Lama wrote a book on applying the principles to work, like normal office work. Actually it was more written by one his close associates. Bottom line, Buddhism doesn’t apply to work. Maybe when I’m retired I’ll have time to enhance my enjoyment of sunsets.

    #304124

    Xain
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lionsroar.com/what-is-suffering-10-buddhist-teachers-weigh-in/amp/

     

    I don’t think that’s it. I think they are getting at this being a more permanent thing and not like the runners high. One of the remarks was about how we suffer because we don’t know what we truly are, whatever that means. I know Buddhism references a false self a lot

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