May 16, 2019 at 8:55 pm #300509
“So you agree. Nothing to do with freedom, democracy and human rights???”
I’ll go further:
Freedom is a relative concept, and largely an illusion in real life.
‘Democracy’ is a one word oxymoron (if such a thing is possible) It has never existed in the sense of ‘majority rule’. EG Donald Trump did not win the popular vote , but was still elected president .It’s even worse in Australia; we have preferential voting, not ‘first past the post’. Athenian democracy was actually a form of government by referendum; IE every eligible voter voted on every important issue . Women and slaves could not vote. .
There are no such things as innate human rights. There are privileges, which can be, and are, removed by the powerful at will.May 16, 2019 at 9:05 pm #300510
no right to clean drinking water? no right to medical care? no right to be educated? no right to have a home?
All these are only for the privileged? True in a capitalist economyMay 16, 2019 at 9:20 pm #300512
I want to adjust my thoughts on the possibility of war with Iran not likely being imminent. I do think that. Yet the possibility is not zero. In addition to the neocons in the current admin wanting it desperately, Trump has ties to Saudi Arabia and the Saudis want us to strike Iran. If Trump does find an excuse to strike Iran, and he thinks he can get away with a 1 or 2 time strike, in order to look tough and endear himself to the Saudis, he would likely do it. He would not want a larger war, but one thing can lead to another.May 16, 2019 at 9:43 pm #300516
why are you silent on Israel on this matter?May 16, 2019 at 10:04 pm #300520
Well, yeah, Nitwityahoo the Israeli Prime Minister is great buds with Trump also. He would, no doubt, also be happy with a US strike on Iran.May 16, 2019 at 10:42 pm #300527
Israel interfere in US election 2016?May 16, 2019 at 11:27 pm #300535
Russian red herring anyone? Read the frikkin Mueller report to see some of what Russia did. There is a LOT to see there. Tho some is still redacted, and some may not have been determined by the Mueller investigation, by their own admission.May 16, 2019 at 11:44 pm #300538
You said page 14. Nothing to hang your hat on.May 17, 2019 at 12:27 am #300545@thatoneguyParticipant
Israel interfere in US election 2016?
No but Israel has outsize influence on US foreign policy.May 17, 2019 at 12:29 am #300546@thatoneguyParticipant
Wow. Usa really pushing hard for a fight with Iran.
When do people think america will start a war with Iran?
Never.May 17, 2019 at 1:34 am #300548
“no right to clean drinking water? no right to medical care? no right to be educated? no right to have a home?
All these are only for the privileged? True in a capitalist economy”
I thought “there are no such things as innate rights was a pretty clear statement.
If there are no innate rights, the political system is irrelevant, as is the social structure.
The above is an opinion, based on observation. Our life experiences may be very different, so our observations will differ. I have no problem with that.May 17, 2019 at 2:31 am #300549
Yes how right wing of youMay 17, 2019 at 2:55 am #300552
Hey Tim. EnjoyMay 17, 2019 at 2:59 am #300553
Yes how right wing of you
How do you figure that?
I’ve explained that my position is based on observation. IE it is my perception of how the world actually works. It is pragmatic and apolitical.
Politically, I’m more a pluralist. By that I mean I subscribe to using whatever works to produce greatest good for the greatest number. I consider this view a rational and pragmatic way to view politics and society, but not necessarily the ideal. I’ve yet to come across an ideal system of social, economic or political organisation.
My position is; “The ideologue, political or religious, is naive at best , dangerous at worst”May 17, 2019 at 3:31 am #300554
Yeap. Only a right wing zealot would claim what you say about rights.
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