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  • #322733
    @thatoneguy
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    Very interesting………

    Government provided medical care in UK has instituted new guidelines that will allow staff to refuse treatment to patients deemed “prejudiced”.

    https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-staff-can-refuse-to-treat-racist-or-sexist-patients-under-new-rules-11937175

    Sexist and racist patients could be barred from non-emergency care at NHS trusts, under new rules to be enforced from April.
    Currently, staff can refuse to treat non-critical patients who are verbally aggressive or physically violent towards them.

    But these protections will extend to any harassment, bullying or discrimination, including homophobic, sexist or racist remarks.Ambulance workers are among those worst affected by abuse
    Health Secretary Matt Hancock wrote to all NHS staff on Tuesday to announce stronger measures to investigate abuse and harassment towards staff, saying “no act of violence or abuse is minor”.

    “Being assaulted or abused is not part of the job,” he said.

    “Far too often I hear stories that the people you are trying to help lash out. I’ve seen it for myself in A&Es, on night shifts, and on ambulances.”

    Mr Hancock said he was “horrified that any member of the public would abuse or physically assault a member of our NHS staff but it happens too often”
    Paramedics fears for patients as NHS struggles with winter demand

    Mr Hancock outlined a new joint agreement with police and the Crown Prosecution Service which will give police more powers to investigate and prosecute cases where NHS staff are the victim of a crime.

    “All assault and hate crimes against NHS staff must be investigated with care, compassion, diligence and commitment,” he said.
    These new rules were announced with the release of the 2019 NHS Staff Survey for England, which showed more than a quarter of NHS workers were bullied, harassed or abused in one year.

     

    There is a potential tidal wave of shit that could go wrong here. Does the NHS have a death wish? It already has funding problems.

    Mr. Hancock’s comment that “abuse is not part of the job” stands out to me as a former paramedic, because we were trained that some amount of abuse is inevitable in the EMS field and you have to be able to not take it personally.  Britain is much quieter than America though, so maybe it’s a cultural difference.

    At any rate it doesn’t help the image of socialized medicine!

     

     

     

    #322739
    @sree
    Participant

    I wouldn’t blame a trans doctor for refusing to treat a patient in the emergency room if he keeps squirming when touched. Never mind the look of disgust on his face at the sight of the doctor.

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    #322744
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Libertarians: You are free to act however you want.

    Also Libertarians: You have to treat my boo-boo no matter how much I insult you.

    #322819
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    I wouldn’t blame a trans doctor for refusing to treat a patient in the emergency room if he keeps squirming when touched. Never mind the look of disgust on his face at the sight of the doctor.

    A trans doctor probably would be at a disadvantage there; but I’m guessing it has more to do with race and sex.

    I’m also guessing British society is in deep shit. Makes our system seem a little more tolerable.

    #322839
    @sree
    Participant

    @thatoneguy: I’m also guessing British society is in deep shit.

    Very true. Brits have themselves to blame for building an empire. The UK now seems to have more Indian subjects than real Brits. Eerie watching returning Englishmen in Heathrow Airport getting interrogated by turbaned Sikhs at immigration. I can imagine far worse cultural shocks at hospitals. If people like their doctors, they should be able to keep their doctors. And this doctor is what people want:

     

    #322855
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Eerie watching returning Englishmen in Heathrow Airport getting interrogated by turbaned Sikhs

    Can you elaborate on that? Without sounding like a Klan member?

    #322860
    @sree
    Participant

    Can you elaborate on that? Without sounding like a Klan member?

    I wasn’t actually watching the scenario. I was imagining the scenario related to me by a Brit I met at a bar in Brighton. They don’t drink Miller’s or Budweiser over there. We each were having a pint of lager. He said he was never sure if he was back in London or had landed at some airport in India after a long flight. And he was pissed as hell every time he walked up to the immigration counter and was asked by a foreign bloke if he had anything to declare. “Yeah, get the hell out of my country!” he told me what he would have liked to say.

     

    #322877
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Fail.

    Can you describe this “eerie” feeling in any terms other than you don’t like brown people?

    #322881
    @sree
    Participant

    Why do you say I don’t like brown people? Where do you think I got drawn to when I first set out to explore this enigma called life? India.  You seem to have the impression that you are a heavyweight when it comes to knowhow and whatnot about world religions. I spent a lot of time in India checking out this brown guy:

     

    #322883
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Why do you say I don’t like brown people?

    Your last two posts in this thread.

    #322884
    @timb
    Participant

    Imo, health care givers should put up with verbal abuse and insults in a professional manner. That may be easy for me to say, however, because I am immune to being particularly insulted by racist stuff.  Tho I suspect it would be more difficult for many people to remain professional in the presence of particular egregious slurs.

    So, there should probably be some pre-developed policy, re: how to address certain situations involving racist verbal abuse.

    #322885
    @sree
    Participant

    Sree: Why do you say I don’t like brown people?
    Lausten: Your last two posts in this thread.

    Please understand that there are no such things as brown people. There are brown bodies, or white bodies, or black bodies. People are something else. They have no color. People are psychological entities.

    #322889
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Then why do they give you eerie feelings, and why does your friend want them out of his country?

    #322892
    @sree
    Participant

    Eerie feelings? Empathy, I guess. I am a high level sensitive. I can feel what others feel. I got it when he vented his frustrations. He wasn’t a friend, just a guy I met. A hello goodbye thing. I don’t believe he wanted Indians out of his country. He would rather see someone he could relate to when he returned home from a rough time on the job abroad, someone who would understand him like a brother. Everybody has comfort zones, comfort food, things they need to compensate for the stress of daily life. No offense, Samy; just stamp the damn passport and let me through. You know what I mean?

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    #322896
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Now you are changing your own words. Troll.

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