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Rednecks Were Taken in by a Carpetbagger like Trump


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  • #322559
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    Maybe the U.S. hasn’t had genuine Capitalism, but Walmart has large plantations, in which the CEO, who makes over a million dollars a year, exploits millions of working class workers by overworking them and paying them poverty wages, as well as use machines to threaten their jobs and make more money by not having as many humans to pay after he fires many of them in favour of robots. After that mission is complete, Walmart will have less workers to pay. Capitalistic greed at its finest. The GWP isn’t Great Work Place, it really is Great Walmart Profits as it exploits the poor, the working poor, middle-class, and the upper-middle class.

    Walmart employees say they’re preparing for job cuts as retailer rolls out its ‘Great Workplace’ program

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    #322666
    @ibelieveinlogic
    Participant

    their jobs

    What makes any job “their job”?  Do they own it?  Have they put their money into starting the company?  Have they taken the risk of hiring and training people who can and do walk off without notice?  Do they have a right to a job in someone’s company?The answer is NO.

    If they want a job to be “their job” then they should create one.

    #322724
    @timb
    Participant

    If the wealthiest corporations are paying an effective tax rate of 11% (and that IS the case) and places like Walmart don’t pay enough to keep their workers off of food stamps or other govt subsidies, then such a corporation is essentially getting govt support to maintain their cheap labor and fantastic profits.  Corporate socialism has been happening in the USA for a long time now.

    When tax rates for the wealthiest were 90% and above, we developed a middle class that made our economy the envy of the world.  Since then we have continually moved to greater and greater wealth disparity.  The middle class is wilting away.  It is not necessary for the wealthiest to keep getting wealthier, while the rest stagnate.  The repugs, now Trumpublicans, will be happy for Bob’s view that this is just the way things are and always have been, and always must be.  They love lies like that.

    #322725
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    I agree with you, TimB. It’s pure corporate greed and we need to tax large corporation/the wealthy for the economy to grow and prosper. As is, the Waltons and their CEOs have almost all of the pie.

    #322771
    @ibelieveinlogic
    Participant

    When tax rates for the wealthiest were 90% and above, we developed a middle class that made our economy the envy of the world.

    See the chart:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#History

    We imposed income taxes to pay for wars.  The post-war booms had nothing to do with high taxes.  Military consumption brought the booms.  Will you advocate for war as a way to boost the middle class?

    #322882
    @timb
    Participant

    Yeah, I advocate for a war on ignorance.  Or how about a Green New Deal – save the Earth, while establishing new green jobs and infrastructure thus hyping and modernizing the economy, simultaneously.

    And don’t twist the point around backwards.   The point was that the high taxes corresponded with the remarkable expansion of the middle class.   If the war taxes had been immediately cut drastically, once the war was over, the vast growth of the middle class would probably not have occurred.

     

     

    #322924
    @ibelieveinlogic
    Participant

    the remarkable expansion of the middle class.

    The remarkable expansion of the middle class, especially post WW-II was caused by expanded consumer spending which was due to pent up demand due to a lack of supply during the war which was caused by the military sucking up all the manufacturing capacity and much of the resources needed for manufacturing.  Ever hear of a 1943 Ford?  Ever see a ration book?  The other major factor was technological advances developed to better fight the war.  The race for manufacturers to build the latest and greatest consumer products created the jobs that funded the spending which funded the factory and infrastructure construction.

    Many people don’t realize that Post WW-I  an Army “major was assigned in 1919 to a transcontinental Army convoy to test vehicles and dramatize the need for improved roads in the nation. Indeed, the convoy averaged only 5 mph from Washington, D.C., to San Francisco.”  (per Wikipedia)   That major, later as President Eisenhower, sold the nation on the construction of interstate highways as necessary for national defense creating lots of jobs, even 60 plus years later.

    War is good for jobs.  Taxes have nothing to with job creation, if anything they stifle economic expansion.

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    #322926
    @ibelieveinlogic
    Participant

    It’s pure corporate greed and we need to tax large corporation/the wealthy for the economy to grow and prosper.

    Anyone who understands anything about economics and taxes knows who pays the taxes.  It is always the the consumer who pays.  The prices we pay include the taxes we lay on the corporations.  Taxes are a business expense which is always passed on to the consumer.

    We tax corporations on profits.  Investors demand a return on their corporate investments (stocks in our retirement plans, our IRAs, our 401Ks, etc) at rates higher than the interest on safer investments like bank and bond interest.  The higher taxes are, the more prices rise and the higher the demanded rate is on stocks, thus demanding that corporations make higher profits to pay us for our investments.

    Higher taxes cause higher inflation and reduce spending power.  Taxes do nothing to increase prosperity and do restrict growth.  This is basic Econ-102, right behind Econ-101, supply and demand.

     

    A little aside:  I asked the prof in a Money and Banking course:  “all things being equal (they love to explain how things work when all things are equal) where does interest on loans come from?”  The money supply is one of the “all things” which would be equal.  The answer is the reason for the prohibition of charging interest under the Judeo-Christian-Islamic ethic, inflation.  The base rate of inflation is the part of the money supply loaned times the rate of interest at which it is loaned.  So, there’s your Econ-501 for today.

    By the way, Econ-050 (makeup) is that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

    #322936
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Where did you get your degree in economics Bob?

    #322947

    In keeping with the title of this forum subject,

    I’ve repeatedly heard the challenging question from Trump supporters that no one can point out a single instance where Russian interference changed the mind of any voter. When this question is asked those hearing it are usually unprepared to give a convincing response. The answer is fairly plain. Propaganda, in this case Russian propaganda never sought to change anyone’s mind. That would be too overt, instead they did something more insidious; they reinforced the uninformed prejudices of groups of Americans by catering to their bigotry and paranoia. Russia being at the center of the largest land mass on earth has consequently been invaded numerous times and has an almost pathological interest in the internal affairs of other nations. It has a long history of covertly spreading misinformation and in the twentieth century its incarnation as the Soviet Union brought this practice to its apex. In an age of facebook chat rooms and free speech, American populations were a perfect target for a well coordinated and highly effective effort to sow discord into the body politic. With the full backing of the Russian government their skills in this activity are highly sophisticated, so much so that their target audience still firmly believe they were unaffected by the misinformation onslaught. The perfect dupe is one that steadfastly asserts he was never duped. How many people believed that Saddam Hussein was  responsible for 911, or that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring from a pizza restaurant in Washington, or that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States, or that he was a Muslim? Millions still believe these falsehoods who swear they can never be duped. Confirmation bias is always a reliable default position for those who lack a practiced habit of critical judgement.

    #322953

    Genus, I’m a big believer in allowing a good piece of writing some breathing room.  Allow me the following liberties, I’ve not changed any words

    @GenusHomo  –  I’ve repeatedly heard the challenging question from Trump supporters that no one can point out a single instance where Russian interference changed the mind of any voter. When this question is asked those hearing it are usually unprepared to give a convincing response.

    The answer is fairly plain.

    Propaganda, in this case Russian propaganda never sought to change anyone’s mind.

    That would be too overt, instead they did something more insidious; they reinforced the uninformed prejudices of groups of Americans by catering to their bigotry and paranoia.

    Russia being at the center of the largest land mass on earth has consequently been invaded numerous times and has an almost pathological interest in the internal affairs of other nations. It has a long history of covertly spreading misinformation and in the twentieth century its incarnation as the Soviet Union brought this practice to its apex.

    In an age of facebook chat rooms and free speech, American populations were a perfect target for a well coordinated and highly effective effort to sow discord into the body politic.

    With the full backing of the Russian government their skills in this activity are highly sophisticated, so much so that their target audience still firmly believe they were unaffected by the misinformation onslaught.

    The perfect dupe is one that steadfastly asserts he was never duped. How many people believed that Saddam Hussein was  responsible for 911, or that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring from a pizza restaurant in Washington, or that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States, or that he was a Muslim? Millions still believe these falsehoods who swear they can never be duped.

    Confirmation bias is always a reliable default position for those who lack a practiced habit of critical judgement.

    There, that’s better.  Thank you

    I couldn’t resist sharing it at my place.  🙂

    #322959
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    The perfect dupe is one that steadfastly asserts he was never duped.  — Genus

    Richard P. Feynman Quotes: The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.

    You’re in good company Genus.

    #322984

    Thank you citizenchallenge. I just visited that website and believe it has serious points of consideration to offer. Yes paragraph delineation is as necessary as taking breaths in the appropriate place for a singer carrying a melody.

     

    Thank you Mr. Lausten. You say more with fewer words than most with a dictionary.

    #322985
    @timb
    Participant

    Good analysis, Genus.  Good spacing, CC.

    #323050
    @ibelieveinlogic
    Participant

    In an age of facebook chat rooms and free speech, American populations were a perfect target for a well coordinated and highly effective effort to sow discord into the body politic.

    Dumb-ass Americans, so easily fooled.

    Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States

    See there!  I knew it all along!

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