January 12, 2020 at 8:29 pm #318755@randy333Participant
I mention sleep paralysis in this post’s title because it’s a title that’s likely to draw more attention than a more specific title tailored to my purposes. I am not strictly interested in sleep paralysis stories. To be specific, I am primarily interested in certain kinds of apparitional experiences, many of which happen to occur during the altered state commonly known as sleep paralysis. I am a collector of memories, a connoisseur of nightmares, if you will. I am enchanted by all matters phantasmagoric, dreadful, and inhuman. If you stay a while and get to know me better, you may find you like some of what I have to offer. For this post, I’ve come here to request personal or secondhand accounts of nonhuman apparitions, namely those strange and sinister specters some call demons or evil spirits. There are many such accounts on the internet, many of them scattered chaotically around divergent comment sections, and many of them hastily written and sometimes lacking in the degree of detail researchers such as myself would like. I could browse for hours through forums, taking notes on the stories that interest me the most. However, rather than do that, I shall begin a new discussion here, for those of you who, like me, are drawn to the anomalous, the dark, the demonic, and the dreadful. As a final note to this introduction, let me make it clear I make no claim about the ultimate truth of the sleep paralysis, hypnagogic, or hypnopompic phenomena nor related and similar aspects of consciousness. I write this post purely as a phenomenological venture, to gather further detailed information on the subjective qualities of specific apparitional experiences. I will not here give any interpretations of such manifestations. Rather, I am only interested in descriptions of them.
A few notes about myself: I am a writer and paranormal researcher, with a primary interest in demonology. I have personal experience in sleep paralysis, hypnagogic and hypnopompic states, shadow apparitions and other manifestations, lucid dreams, and so-called astral projection. On a number of occasions, I have made attempts to deliberately induce sleep paralysis and other such states, and have attempted to commune directly with some of the manifestations associated with these states. While my metaphysical interests extend to the cosmos as a whole, I am drawn deepest to what I can characterize as ethereal elements of the cosmos: questions of dreams, nightmares, sleep paralysis, parasomnia, hauntings, demons, insanity, astral and infernal visions, advanced intelligence, alternate dimensions, the occult, transcendence, and, as an ultimate mystery, immortality. My interest in altered states extends to other dimensions of consciousness as well, to include UFOs, alien contact accounts, DMT realms, salvia realms, and any of the various entities encountered in these spheres. It should be noted that, when I use the word entity, it does not inherently carry a connotation of sentience. Entities in my terminology can be either sentient or insentient. I sometimes prefer the term over ‘beings’ or ‘apparitions’ because it can hold a more neutral connotation, signifying a presence exists as a subjectively external, distinct aspect of a subject’s field of consciousness, wherein many presences assume a form distinguishable from inanimate objects. Many apparitions have a humanoid, creature-like, or monstrous appearance, rather than, say, the appearance of a simple nondescript artifact. These can include humanoid shadows, creature shadows, various nonhuman guises, occasional human-like apparitions, and other kinds of manifestations. Rather than refer to all such manifestations as beings or apparitions, which can foster biases, I find that, semantically, the word entity can be used relatively neutrally to denote an aspect of the experience distinct from mere background.
Those preliminary considerations aside, allow me to clarify a few matters of importance to me, what may be considered possible misconceptions about some of these altered states. I could write much more on the complex nuances and questions involved in this field, and I have, however here I only wish to make a few short mentions to give some context to my approach to this.
For one, sleep paralysis does not always feature complete, unbreakable paralysis. Sometimes the paralysis is only partial and sometimes the paralysis is breakable. It’s conceivable all sleep paralysis is fundamentally breakable even if a subject feels it is unable to break the paralysis in the moment. In any case, a subject can begin a sleep paralysis episode in a complete or partial paralytic state, and then come to find it is able to break the paralysis by itself. Note as well that even if paralysis is broken, this may or may not cancel the altered state itself. I only note these matters for any who have the impression sleep paralysis necessarily involves unbreakable full body paralysis. Hypnagogic and hypnopompic states also do not always feature paralysis. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t. It is possible, for instance, to awake into a hypnopompic state and feel little if any paralysis. This depends in part on the subject.
Beyond that, let us also recognize this: Not everyone is terrified of sleep paralysis and related phenomena. Sleep paralysis is commonly characterized as terrifying by those who experience it. This is a subjectively genuine description and one I have experienced myself. However, terror, dread, and other such emotions are not universal facets of the experience. It is very possible to not be afraid in the state at all, whether of the paralysis, apparitions, or other phenomena present. This stoic approach to parasomnia states can take some time to develop. Even as you begin to eliminate fear, you may find certain manifestations or senses incite dread, such as elements that excite personal phobias. Even so, one’s reaction to such states can in principle and in practice be largely controlled, if not fully controlled. This composed, focused state of mind can allow one to conduct clearer observations and experiments and explore deeper dimensions of consciousness. Bear this methodology in mind as we consider this field and have other experiences in the future.
As an addendum to this section, I would also note I find it important to recognize that there is often a question about whether a subject was actually awake in the normal sense when the subject experienced an altered state such as sleep paralysis. Based on my analysis of my own experiences and those of others, it appears that, sometimes, the subject is awake in the normal sense, and sometimes, the subject is asleep, and only appears to be awake in the normal sense. If you consider telling a story, do note whether the percipient ultimately appeared to be awake.
About three years ago, I was involved in research to compile cases and evidence to establish a clearer, more nuanced account of this somewhat obscure array of phenomena. I find that some authors don’t approach the phenomenon in as much philosophical and scientific depth as they could, and often use mere anecdotes as the bulk of their books, or dismiss the phenomenon entirely as a mere meaningless glitch in the human mind. I feel these matters could benefit from a much closer and experimental examination, and for that I have worked over the years to compile information and organize concepts and research. For the past three years, I largely took a break from this field, and wrote ‘fiction’ as well as dabbled in some creative designs and other interests. Recently, I decided to pick up where I left off and, as part of my literary plans, I intend to write a book devoted to a comprehensive account of a certain breed of apparitional experiences and altered states, namely the vein of reality called the demonic by some. There is wide disagreement about the nature of the demonic, the semantics of the words demon and demonic, and whether we can aptly consider any parasomnia phenomena such as sleep paralysis demonic in any instances. I am not here to discuss these matters. I am only here, as I said, to collect stories. I’ve interviewed a number of individuals in-person and online and have compiled a series of detailed apparitional accounts that interest me, some of which I would like to include in a few of the aforementioned book’s chapters. I would also, ideally, like to use a few of your own accounts in said book, which I would strictly reserve for the most detailed, compelling, and vivid anecdotes, preferably firsthand accounts rather than those told by someone else. You can post accounts here or speak to me privately. I am also willing to speak further on these matters to those who share a vivid memory with me or otherwise express a genuine interest in the unknown without preconception. If I find your account particularly noteworthy, and if, upon further research, I consider you a fairly credible person, I will consider using your story as an example of this phenomenon. I will not, in any case, use any personal information such as name or location. I only wish to compile the most compelling cases directly from the source.
Encounters could be in waking, in a hypnagogic or hypnopompic state, or in a dream state or other vision state. It doesn’t need to be in waking or a between state. Some of the most beautiful and vivid entities are encountered in dreams, sometimes lucid dreams, and I would be interested to hear some of the more rich, animated encounters of alterdimensional entities of a sinister sort.
Detailed accounts would ideally include: how old you were; your location at the time; the time and date; if you were lying down, what position you were in, whether supine, sideward, etc.; a description of any apparitions to include color, size, specific features, voices, behavior, location, etc.; a description of any other aspects of the episode to include emotions, sounds, vibrations, pressures, paralysis, speech, actions, alterations, portals, etc.; how the apparitional experience affected you, whether you feel the phenomenon continued to haunt you, whether you subsequently had unusually vivid or disturbing dreams; and also other questions such as whether you’ve seen any UFOs before or after; whether you think you may have experienced any paranormal phenomena before or after; whether you’ve experienced any lucid dreams, astral or infernal visions, or other altered states before or after; and, as an aside, how others have regarded your experience and whether others in your life experienced similar phenomena before or after. I am very patient and observant, and there is no need to rush any accounts submitted. I ask you take no more than about 1,000 words to describe your story, however if you would like to take more time, that is fine as well. Know that you will receive no judgment from me, even if you take a hard line stance on what exactly your experience is. I am only here to collect memories. I am not here to debate these matters, nor do I intend to peddle any ultimate theory of them. I am and always will be an agnostic in my core, interested foremost in pure experiential data, pure manifestations, independently of our own feelings and interpretations of them. I hope if you’ve read this far, and if you’re as interested in the complexities and truth of this phenomenon as I am, you will take some time to humor me and give us a particularly rich story from your corner of the world. As we learn more of each other’s experiences of the strange, and as we consider opportunities to experiment and delve deeper into the doors of our minds, perhaps we will find other doors open in time, and we encounter aspects of the cosmos once hidden from us.
- This topic was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by Sebastian Greenfield.
January 12, 2020 at 9:21 pm #318761
- This topic was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by Sebastian Greenfield.
I was in my late 20’s. I lived alone at the time and was at home alone, sleeping. I awakened and could not move. I felt terrified and had a sense that there was a presence in the room. I could not move to try to look at it, and I didn’t want to (due to fear). I don’t recall for sure how it resolved, perhaps the paralysis subsided, or maybe I just fell back asleep. I don’t remember. I also don’t remember being bothered about it in the days, weeks, years since. Such an episode has never re-occurred for me. I assume the episode was an artifact of the sleep state.January 12, 2020 at 10:35 pm #318767
however here I only wish to make a few short mentions to give some context to my approach to this.
Kinda failed at thatJanuary 12, 2020 at 10:40 pm #318768
It’s a normal thing, due to how sleep worksJanuary 14, 2020 at 5:01 pm #318872@widdershinsParticipant
A few notes about myself: I am a writer and paranormal researcher…
Yeah, I kind of guessed that from the first paragraph.
I am a collector of memories, a connoisseur of nightmares, if you will. I am enchanted by all matters phantasmagoric, dreadful, and inhuman.
That part makes it pretty obvious that you are used to speaking through pages rather than verbally.
Unfortunately I have no such stories for you. My brain appears to be impervious to most interesting stimuli. I have never had a supernatural encounter. I have never been high. I took twice the prescribed opioid pain medication once for a broken elbow (two, actually. The story is quite stupid) on my wife’s advice and the only affect it had on me was to dull the pain so I could sleep. Finished out the prescription, always with the same results. I can drink a pot of coffee and go straight to sleep.
I do have one little tidbit, though. It is nothing like what you’re looking for, but it is the most amazing experience of my life and, I’d wager, more amazing than what most experience in a lifetime. As a youth I’m pretty sure I had low blood pressure. I eat too much salt (WAY too much) and fat, I smoke and don’t get much exercise and my blood pressure is perfect today. There were a variety of strange symptoms which suggest that I did have something wrong which is not wrong today.
The most interesting one I call spontaneous temporary total amnesia. I was about 16 or 17. It was the weekend. I had slept late and when I woke up I decided to go to a friend’s house. I just got out of bed, got dressed, got in my car and started driving the few blocks to his house. A couple of blocks from my own house, however, I lost all mental capacity. Total mind wipe. I had nothing. No memories, no language, no pattern recognition, no muscle memory, all gone. I was like a 145 pound (I miss those days) newborn baby behind the wheel of a car. I remember the experience. I was forming memories, I just didn’t have access to any of them. It was the most peaceful few seconds of my life. No worries, no emotions, no desires or regrets. Everything was just colors whizzing by and they were amazing. I did not know tree from house from sky from ground. It was all just moving colors and they were interesting to me. I remember my head just kind of “flopping” to one side as I turned my attention to colors over there, just like a baby’s head will if unsupported. You cannot imagine how utterly peaceful it was with no thoughts whatsoever, just a blank slate “experiencing”, to me at the time, for the first time. Then it all came back. Worrying about brain tumors is a lot less peaceful.January 15, 2020 at 1:48 am #318931@write4uParticipant
As a child I used to dream of being in a descending elevator and deedees would grope at me on every level. But I knew they could never touch me and I was more curious than afraid of that dream. I learned to stop at a few levels and study the strange creaturs that dwelled there.
Each morning after I would feel filled with wonder and delight rather than fear. It shaped my desire to travel and explore exotic lands, which I was able to to a great extent. My only disappointment is that I never visited the far East. Their history is awesome and I would have loved to emerse myself into that psychological environment for awhile.January 15, 2020 at 3:44 am #318938
deedees would grope at you? Do you mean these hideous things?January 16, 2020 at 11:27 pm #319177@write4uParticipant
Aww, I would have stopped at every floor for these delightful creatures.January 18, 2020 at 9:37 pm #319346@smugParticipant
The hallucinations in sleep-paralysis are widely known among the medical community to be just hallucinations. There’s nothing particularly mysterious about sleep paralysis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4958367/May 7, 2020 at 8:41 pm #327925@kayshookParticipant
I’ve had sleep paralysis 4 times that I can remember vividly.
The first when I was a child, maybe 7-8 and a shadow on the wall tipped his hat to me in the middle of the night. I’m from the south so it wasn’t abnormal and chalked it up to being a nightmare.
A couple years ago 22/23, I had another spell. Where I woke up to a man in my doorway, he came to me and layed on top of me, no touching, just laid on me. I could feel his weight, and I could smell him and feel the texture of his coat on my face. I was terrified but I couldn’t speak and I couldn’t move. The spell went on and he left my room. At this point I thought I was “awake” and my dream continued to me thinking there was an intruder in my home with my roommate and I. I realized later, in my dream while hiding in a closet. That it was a dream and I was not in fact “awake”.
-When I was in Louisiana 26, I was sleeping in a rental. I thought I had woken up, when I saw a very tall skinny Blackman standing in the doorway he turned to look at me and I couldn’t move. I just laid there. He didn’t do anything but he was shirtless, with ragged shorts on and something wrapped around his head. He wasn’t scary.. I felt sorrow.-I still felt fear- because I knew at this point, I wasn’t in my realm, I was somewhere else. I woke up and shook my bf awake asking him over and over if I was awake.
The last one was a couple weeks ago 27 I “woke up” and looked into my hallway while still laying down on my back with my head turned and saw my hallway mirror. It was still dark, but my mirror was where I could see it thru the door frame (you usually can’t) and there was a shorter, very dark figure in the reflection. I couldn’t move, it felt so real, but I knew I was sleeping because I rationalized that the mirror wasn’t usually there. I was scared, I couldn’t move but kept asking my bf to wake me up. Over and over again. I turned my head, and there was a larger woman walking around the corner of my bed very, very slowly. Where my sons crib sits in between the wall- and the side of the bed. She was large, heavy set and also like the man, had something wrapped around her head. In this case, like a cancer patient or something. But when I looked at her, she had blood running out of her eyes. It wasn’t pouring, they were single tears out of each one. I was screaming at thing point for my bf to wake me up over and over. I then actually woke up and when I did my 10m son was crying in his crib next to me.
I don’t know why these experiences happen. But I believe when were sleeping we experience things that aren’t in this physical realm. And it scares the hell out of me to think my son maybe in some form, felt what I felt and that’s why he was crying.
These experiences are becoming more with my age(27). I’ve always been a sensitive person, to emotions and energy’s/yada. I just don’t understand why they are happening. They are terrifying. All my stories are the truth. No bullshit.May 8, 2020 at 8:33 am #327949
They are terrifying. All my stories are the truth. No bullshit.
Of course they. They are your experiences. Your story is one of you being asleep. I don’t see what you’re not understanding. I have nightmares, I wake up, end of story. You know your body goes numb when you fall asleep right? You know that real sounds in the awake world get mixed in to dreams as you wake up right?May 8, 2020 at 10:00 am #327958@kayshookParticipant
All I’m saying is that there are people who go there whole lives without having sleep paralysis, not nightmares. They are two different things. Yes I understand real world noises mix in with our dreams but that only accounts for the woman crying blood, when I woke up to my son crying. I’m not saying something weird is going on.
I would just like them to stop because they are starting to become more frequent.May 13, 2020 at 3:57 am #328206
Have you considered getting a sleep study. If you have a sleep disorder that is awakening you at the height of REM sleep, maybe that is resulting in your higher frequency of hypnagogic states.
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