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T rump has shown us that we can assassinate oppositional foreign leaders


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  • #318109
    @timb
    Participant

    Mriana, I don’t always agree 100% with AOC, but I always enjoying seeing and hearing from her.  What about Tucker Carlson?  I don’t feel the same about him, but he agrees with us on this too.

    #318110
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    I’ve not heard or read anything from Tucker Carlson to know what he thinks.

    #318111
    @timb
    Participant

    That is probably for the best.

    #318113
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    I’ve not heard or read anything from <** He who shall not be named**> to know what he thinks.

    Sorry that demon was released on you. My workout center is pretty small, so the two machines I like are right by the Fox News TVs and I’m often there at <**> time. The most memorable was a night a couple years ago when he was focusing on Russia. He could have given some in depth reporting including some historical background, instead he opened with a tirade that sounded something Roseanne Roseannadanna crossed with Andy Rooney, “What’s all this fuss about Russia. They’re just some backwater two-bit country with hardly any power but all of sudden it’s a problem that Trump likes their President……”

    #318118
    @timb
    Participant

    I guess T rump  got the message that his military is not going to bomb cultural sites in Iran, even if he orders it.  I say this, because I just heard him backing off  that particular war crime.  But who knows what the liar will espouse 10 min from now?

    #318131
    @mriana
    Keymaster

    To be honest, the only thing I’ve heard concerning T.C. was on SNL. The Reich gets on my nerves too much to listen to anything that comes out of that ugly hole in their face.

    #318136
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Got lucky and caught this on the way home. Mary Louise Kelly tries to defend Trump a little bit, but I think she was just giving Zarif the opportunity to make his case, which he did, pretty well. The only thing she really gets him on is how much of war monger he his. It’s just “both sides-ism”.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/07/794175782/transcript-nprs-full-interview-with-iran-s-foreign-minister

    As they note at the end, the interview came between the time Pompeo walked back Trump’s statement about bombing cultural sites and the time Trump actually recanted.

    #318138
    @timb
    Participant

    The Iranian minister called T rump a terrorist. T rump definitely has the tendencies of a terrorist.   Recall during his campaign he was promoting killing family members of our enemies.  So destroying cultural sites is in line with his general philosophy.  Also recall his BS story about Muslims being defeated by letting them know we were coating our bullets in pig’s blood.  Next he will want our bombs to be painted with pig’s blood.

    It seems to me, with this fiasco, that T rump has already lost Iraq to Iran.  And T rump is opening the door to the r-emergence of ISIS or worse. Not to mention the final nails in the coffin of the Iran deal that other nations were trying to hang on to.  So Iran can get busy producing nukes, again.  Hence WAR is in the air.   How will the con man get out of this pickle?

    #318142
    @timb
    Participant

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-attacks-two-us-bases-in-iraq-live-updates/ar-BBYHc7Z?ocid=spartanntp

    The Shiite show has now begun.   Iran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles at two military bases in Iraq where American troops are based, (Just getting started I imagine.)

    In a related note, fifty-six people died and 213 were injured (by human stampede) in the funeral processions for Soleimani, attended by millions of Iranians.

    Meanwhile, “Putin takes a bow in Syria” and ” told Mr. al-Assad that “one can now confidently state that huge strides have been made in restoring Syrian statehood and the territorial integrity of the country…”

    And NATO trainers from various of our traditional allies are now leaving the fight on ISIS in Iraq.

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    I wonder when T rump’s bombing of 52 sites in Iran will start.  (It is 52, because I guess he thinks it is cool to recall that Iran took 52 American hostages many years ago.)  The Trumpublicans should be happy about those hostages being taken, as it led to Ronald Raygun being elected POTUS back when.

     

    #318151
    @thatoneguy
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    TimB replies; My point is not that T rump is unusually “evil”.  Although he is a man of unusually poor character.  My Point is that he is disaster after disaster waiting to happen as Commander in Chief.

    No military “disasters” have taken place since he has been in office so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Right now because of his action, we are either: 1) Occupying the sovereign state of Iraq who wants us to leave, or 2) we are withdrawing from Iraq per international law.  Either case is a breath of life for ISIS, who we have now, ceased operations against.

    We have had small numbers of military advisors in Iraq since 2014, so blame Obama.

    And insurgent groups like ISIS will always pop up in the Middle East.  Not much we can do besides prevent Muslims from entering the US.  It’s worth noting ISIS has never been a big threat to this country in the first place. As liberals like to remind us — white supremacists are a bigger threat than Islamic terrorists.

    Our CinC is also repeatedly promising to commit the war crimes of destroying Iranian cultural sites.  This (unless it is an empty threat, aka lie) leaves our military in the unenviable position of having to disregard unlawful orders from the CinC, or to carry out  war crimes.

    Empty threat. Doesn’t really matter anyway because nobody on earth can force the USA into international court.  That would’ve happened already if it was possible.

    I wonder, have their been an unusual number of quiet resignations by generals under this sorry excuse of a CinC?

    There doesn’t appear to be.

    #318152
    @write4u
    Participant

    thatoneguy said,

    There doesn’t appear to be.

    You may want to take a look at this;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations#Department_of_Defense

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    #318167
    @timb
    Participant

    You ignore the disaster of Iran beginning again to work toward building their very own Nukes.  That is ALL on T rump re-nigging on the multinational deal.  That same renig and the policy of MAX Pressure on Iran, trying to force them into submitting to our every whim OR to cause internal conflict to result in regime change?  That disastrous policy has lead inexorably to the point where we have assassinated a most beloved military/political figure.  That lead to the disaster of Iraq telling us to leave their country.  You, Oneguy, are just fine with allowing ISIS or an equivalent to retake territory and establish a deadly caliphate once again?

    I said in a post above: Right now because of his action, we are either: 1) Occupying the sovereign state of Iraq who wants us to leave, or 2) we are withdrawing from Iraq per international law. Either case is a breath of life for ISIS, who we have now, ceased operations against.

    You said: We have had small numbers of military advisors in Iraq since 2014, so blame Obama.Oneguy said:” We have had small numbers of military advisors in Iraq since 2014, so blame Obama.”

    My reply:  We left Iraq in 2011, because as a sovereign nation we respected their right to tell us to leave.  We came back to help them when they desperately needed help.  So how is it Obama’s fault that T rump is getting us kicked out again, NOW?  Obama, you bastard, how did you finagle this while vacationing on some rich friend’s yacht while fishing for Marlin?  Poor T rump, Obama is always out to get him.  Oneguy, Assad and Putin have taken over northern Syria, securely now.  That’s with the assist from Trump who ran from the Turks like a bad dog who had no loyalty for his friends (the Kurds). How about alienating our traditional allies from wanting to have anything to do with us in the mid east?  That’s good by you?

    Also it is fine by you if we breach international laws and commit war crimes, because no one can do anything about it?  Because we are too big for anyone  to  do anything about it?  It was that way for Nazi Germany until they lost a really big war.

    So when you were an active ‘warfighter” would you have been fine with committing war crimes that you were ordered to do?

     

    #318301
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    You may want to take a look at this

    Well, some of those individuals were generals in the past.

    #318303
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    You ignore the disaster of Iran beginning again to work toward building their very own Nukes. That is ALL on T rump re-nigging on the multinational deal. That same renig and the policy of MAX Pressure on Iran, trying to force them into submitting to our every whim OR to cause internal conflict to result in regime change? That disastrous policy has lead inexorably to the point where we have assassinated a most beloved military/political figure.

    Iran having a nuclear program is not a disaster.  They absolutely have the right to one.

    And  there is no evidence Soulimani’s death was related to that issue.

     

    #318304
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    That lead to the disaster of Iraq telling us to leave their country. You, Oneguy, are just fine with allowing ISIS or an equivalent to retake territory and establish a deadly caliphate once again?

    Yes. We cannot decisively defeat an insurgency in their own backyard.  The time to GTFO was years ago.

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