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The Cosmic Joke


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  • #300019
    Lausten
    Keymaster

    I’m surprised Frankl’s work is not more widely known. It is one of the most practical applications of the search for meaning I’ve ever seen, and I kinda go searching for that stuff. Somehow I managed to miss it until just recently. It was my niece, she is taking a graduate course in psychology that uses Frankl’s ideas as a basis for therapy.

     

    #303109
    Xain
    Participant

    I mean there is a thinker, in a sense and there is something that believes. What’s sad is thinking there is some cosmic joke.

    #304825

    Here’s a different but much more simple quote that much more my way of looking at things.

    I wonder why. I wonder why.
    I wonder why I wonder.
    I wonder why I wonder why.
    I wonder why I wonder!

    Richard Feynman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrA3zqDjZ5Q

     

     

    #304830

    I had to come back read this again, fun discussion all the way around, good comments.

    I think the key is just not taking ourselves too seriously.  I myself think the Cosmic Joke is alive and well.  Tony Hillerman tells us about a Navajo thing: Coyote Waits fundamentally, don’t get too smug, because the universe (coyote) is out there waiting to fuk with you when you least expect it.

    But seriously, humor is where you find it, –  this one’s hard to explain –  walking in the woods getting lost in grandiose thoughts, then tripping or walking into branch or some such Act of God reality smack-down.  That’s a Cosmic Giggle to me.  Or a string of, of course totally random, events that unfold into incredible situations.     It’s all in our heads, if you want to have a personal experience of the universe, it has a great sense of humor, smacks one upside the head right and left, in rhythm to what’ happening in our lives, I know.

    We just love making everything more complicated than it need to be.   Hope you don’t mind me tossing this one into the ring again.  😉

    Which brings me back to Gould’s NOMA and his missing key.

    The missing key is appreciating the fundamental “Magisteria of Physical Reality,” –

    and recognizing that both science and religion are products of the “Magisteria of Our Human Mindscape.”

     

    Science seeks to objectively learn about our physical world, but we should still recognize all our understanding is embedded within and constrained by our brain’s mindscape.

    Religion is all about the human mindscape itself, with its wonderful struggles, fears, spiritual undercurrents, needs and stories we create to give our live’s meaning and make it worth living, or at least bearable.

    As for acceptance of death, I’m 64 and i watched my mom into her 90s watching her own body fail with no hope of reprieve, it’s like lets get there already – she was ready for death and the long sleep – I fully relate with what Patrick wrote.  We get old and worn out, when sleep becomes more appealing that getting up and around, then you know your turn is about up.  It’s okay.

    #305360
    TimB
    Participant

    I hope you’re not planning on checking out soon, CC.  Our world would be less without your persistent voice of reason.

    #305535

    Considering I often think I’m just a nuisance around here,

    Thank you.

    #305594
    Lausten
    Keymaster

    If I don’t respond to a post of your’s CC, it’s not that I don’t care about it, it’s usually that it’s a lot to a absorb and I want to spend some time thinking about it before responding. Then I get sucked into an argument with some drug addict or something.

    #305601
    TimB
    Participant

    If I don’t respond to a particular post of yours, CC, it is probably, usually, because I think that it is sufficient to itself without further comment or questions.

    #306225
    3point14rat
    Participant

    “As for acceptance of death, I’m 64 and i watched my mom into her 90s watching her own body fail with no hope of reprieve, it’s like lets get there already – she was ready for death and the long sleep – I fully relate with what Patrick wrote.  We get old and worn out, when sleep becomes more appealing that getting up and around, then you know your turn is about up.  It’s okay.”

    The inevitability and finality of death is tough to take. The idea that I wasn’t aware of life before I was born and won’t be aware of it after I’m dead, is pretty poor consolation in my mind.

    Since we don’t experience anything while dead, the fact we can’t be unhappy takes the sting out of death for some. I see it from the other angle: I won’t be happy ever again. They’re different sides of the same coin but I can’t help but look at it this way.

    I think that if I didn’t have kids and had done more with my life I wouldn’t be as anxious. Might be time to say “screw retirement” and spend the little money we have doing stuff with the kids (young adults now).

     

    #306448

    Holmes this thread is about cosmic jokes.  That up there is a human joke on ourselves.

    “His eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen,

    being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. …

    Been clearly seen and understood by whom?  Regular primitive humans who were busy trying to figure out how to survive and thrive.  Seriously?  Do you not recognize that we humans are dominated by our inner drive to survive and prosper?  How do we get outside of ourselves enough to clearly view some “divine” nature?  We don’t even have empathy for other humans most the time, how can we presume to appreciate the full breath of nature and the universe, let alone god?

    What the heck is the “divine”?

    How can a human know an eternal god – when most don’t even have the hardware to be capable of appreciating our planet’s long evolution.  Mind you, scale Earth’s history to 24 hours and we human’s have been around for 4-5 seconds – where’s your sense of humility in the face of the real universe and whatever God might be behind it?  Do you really think those limited desert people with their fraction of the knowledge or appreciation for life’s secrets that we have gained through science – had the wherewithal to comprehend universal eternal divinity.  The conceit is amazing.

    #306489

    I’m asking you questions – why must you dodge them by disappearing into your fantasy world?  Why can’t you answer any simple questions?

    “Well know piece of scripture” so what?

    You don’t think I know what it is?  Why is that supposed to impress me?

    It says nothing of substance.

    It’s an exercise in self delusion – why are you trying to imply that mumbo-jumbo comes from God’s Mind???

    How can a petty self-serving human (which fundamentally all of us are, biology and all that) know an eternal god?

    #306690

    Stop the whining and dumping your head trip onto me.  You pretend to be discussion science but want to slip in scripture.  FU. Why shouldn’t I have fun and point out the inanity in that scripture.

    And what’s your scripture telling us?  ‘neither did they glorified God’ – so wows be to them.  You joker.  Your sacred texts are nothing more than the writings of ancient tribal folks who were stuck slaving away or trekking over deserts all their lives.    What do they know about the universe or time or god, beyond their very very limited experiences (environment) that others can’t arrive at.  There’s nothing special or magical or important about that vailed warning.  So I took the time to make that clear.

    So Holmes, since you liked that scripture enough to share – how about explaining it from your perspective?

    Care to describe your relationship with this supposed “God” that the ancient tribal text called the Holy Bible writes about?

    I’m curious, do you believe in a judgement day after death and an eternal life in heaven for the chosen?

    Just trying to get to know you better.

     

    You could even have some fun with the heathens and try to explain your inside joke.

    At least I do my damned to explain where I’m coming from and what it is and why I stand behind it.

    I even invite intellectual challenges rather than run from them.

     

    #306764
    3point14rat
    Participant

    Sherlock Holmes said:

    For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

    Romans 1.

    Then, when questions were asked based on that post, he posted:

    I merely quote a well known piece of scripture and you begin to froth at the mouth and become highly emotional, please calm down.

    and,

    I just quoted it, nothing more. I am not dodging anything, you did ask a stream questions each of which could be a forum topic in their own right but you didn’t ask those questions because you wanted an answer.

    They were I think rhetorical, intended to discredit me (“where’s your sense of humility”, “The conceit is amazing”) by conveying an impression about me purely based on the fact that I quoted a scripture. I thought the scripture poignant given the topic and some of the preceding posts, it was posted in a light hearted but thought provoking sense.

    Once again, get over yourself.

    Posting random Bible quotes is an odd way to participate in a forum.

    On a completely unrelated note, is it possible for anyone so dense that they don’t know how constant feigned erudition and willful ignorance can drive even the most gentle and patient people to react angrily?

    Personally, I find it impossible to believe, and feel people like that are working hard a martyring themselves by intentionally creating an environment where they are rejected purely due to their nastiness, but that they will twist to their purpose by crying they were unjustly censored or picked-on.

    To reiterate, this is merely a random question and should in no way be interpreted as a commentary on anyone on these forums, especially this thread.

    #306838
    3point14rat
    Participant

    “But I did not get angry with him.”

    Ha! You do have a sense of humour!

    I wish we could have an actual conversation with you. Unfortunately that horse got out of the barn (and then the barn torched and the horse killed) ages ago, but it is still an interesting idea to think about (kinda like me wishing I could win the lottery but never buying tickets).

    “I don’t see him that way, but that’s just me.”

    Ya right. I’m sure you’re just an innocent seeker of knowledge who everyone misunderstands. You know that’s not true, and you know we know that’s not true.

    #306949

    (kinda like me wishing I could win the lottery but never buying tickets).

    Oh yeah – but think of how much money you’ve saved by not buying losing lottery tickets.  At least that’s what I tell myself 🙂

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