November 12, 2019 at 12:26 pm #312799
New Testament Bible Verses 🙏
*Hate Speech by Jesus
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children, and brothers and sisters, yes, even his own life he cannot be my disciple.
Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth, I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother in law and a man’s foes will be those of his own household. He who loves mother or father more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and he who does not take his cross to follow me is not worthy of me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.
* Jesus advocates murder and death
Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child, and the children should rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
*Jesus advocates child abuse
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
*Jesus promotes slavery
The servant who knows the master’s will and does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
What is your favorite bible verse?November 12, 2019 at 12:42 pm #312801
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.November 12, 2019 at 12:49 pm #312802November 12, 2019 at 12:50 pm #312803WiddershinsParticipant
You forgot Matthew 12:30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
In essence, either you do as I say or you are the enemy. You are with God or you are with Satan. Nobody is innocent, nobody is on the sidelines. Today that is interpreted to mean, “If you are not part of MY religion then you are evil, so it’s okay if you suffer and die because that’s nothing compared to what you have coming in the afterlife.”November 12, 2019 at 7:49 pm #312872Tee Bryan PeneguyParticipant
Why am I being moderated?November 12, 2019 at 8:11 pm #312871Tee Bryan PeneguyParticipant
I wrote a short and snappy little piece on this very subject last summer.
Many liberal Christians seem utterly unaware of Jesus’ so-called “hard sayings.” It drives me nuts.
I see liberal Christians condemn conservative Christians for ignoring, say, the Jesus of the Beatitudes, telling them to “read the Bible!” But it’s clear the liberal Christians haven’t read it either. I wish I had a nickel for every time I’ve seen things like, “Jesus spoke only of love! He never got angry! He never mentioned hell!” Really? What Bible are they reading?
This woman doesn’t recognize words attributed to Jesus — thinking they’re from the OT instead.
Bottom line: Both sides cherrypick to create the Jesus that agrees with them.November 12, 2019 at 8:40 pm #312876
Yessss!!! I couldn’t agree more 👍November 12, 2019 at 10:00 pm #312903thatoneguyParticipant
The desert tribes didn’t mess around.November 15, 2019 at 12:41 pm #313228
The Jewish scholars he interacted with were absolutely stunned by the stuff he said to them
I’m not aware of extra-biblical records of scholars commenting on the writings of Jesus in the way you state here. That would be very interesting to me. Or even a chapter and verse, if that’s what you meant.November 15, 2019 at 1:41 pm #313236
Yeah, don’t recommend coming to a skeptics forum and claiming that the Bible is accurate history. But, you’re call.November 15, 2019 at 1:48 pm #313238
The bible is forged. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John did Not write any of the gospels. It was written by unknown authors. If it wasn’t for Constantine and the Nicea Council bringing together several hundred quarreling religious leaders in AD 325, Jesus would have never reached divine statrdom.November 15, 2019 at 2:26 pm #313243
There are zero original texts from the New Testament or The Hebrew Bible. What we have are copies of fragments written centuries later and most of them are all different from one another.
What does it mean to state that god inspired the word of the texts if we don’t have the words?
Why should someone think that god performed the miracle of inspiring the words in the first place if he didn’t perform the miracle of preserving the words? 🤔
Do you find it odd that Jesus’ native language was Aramaic and the first written words of the NT were written n Greek?November 15, 2019 at 3:57 pm #313266
He has preserved them, what we have is the result of that preservation, scribes faithfully copying, as I mentioned there is very little in the way of changes across the centuries.
Bart Ehrmann has a great story in one of his books about the early scholars who rode out into the deserts looking for the ancient Greek manuscripts way back before Erasmus. He found a bunch of them in a bin of some monastery, they were using them as fire starter. He was rather excited about them so they hung on to them, and when the guy came back, the price for them was suddenly rather high. Way to go God!November 15, 2019 at 4:27 pm #313267
Since there were Not typewriters or copy machines in the ancient world, these scribes painfully hand wrote each word and each letter by hand. (Keep in mind, less than 2% of the population could even read or write during that time period). As a result there are numerous errors during this copy practice. For example:
Which resurrection story do you believe? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all give different accounts.
It is clear to me Justin Brierely, that no matter what evidence is presented to you, you will Never give up your imaginary friend or magical thinking. What is your purpose of coming to this forum? The vast majority of us were raised in the Christian church. I can assure you, most of us did not leave our religion to be mean spirited. We left because we thought it through and we thought we were wrong. It is emotionally very difficult.
How can you host an Unbelievable Christian show and portray to the world that you are a godly man with high morals and values and come to this forum and insult us and degrade us because we do not answers your questions correctly?November 15, 2019 at 4:35 pm #313268
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