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  • #313487
    Blaire
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    @Sherlock

    Have you read your bible lately? Do you cherry pick the bible? Do you gain knowledge and inspiration from the following verses?

    Let us pray 🙏 Dear God, thank you for inspiring such a wonderful book. The bible instills great morals and values for our children.

    Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.
    Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.
    Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.
    I Samuel 15:3 slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
    2 Kings 8:12 dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
    2 Kings 15:16 all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
    Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
    Isaiah 13:18 They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
    Lamentations 2:20 Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.
    Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.
    Hosea 9:14 give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
    Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

    11 Bible Verses That Turn Christians Into Atheists

     

    #313592
    TimB
    Participant

    Yeah why list the merciless horrors of Jehovah, like a list of articles of Impeachment.

    “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.” “…utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.”
    “And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.”  “slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.” “dash their children, and rip up their women with child.”  “all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.” “Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.”  “They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.”  “Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.” “Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.” “give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.”  “their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”

    Sure these tweetish verses seem bad, but is it a reason to remove Jehovah from his position as God of All?

    #313593
    TimB
    Participant

    They sound like the standing orders the Turks gave the ISIS monsters that they unleashed onto the Kurds in Northern Syria, since we betrayed and abandoned those Kurds.

    #315029
    Blaire
    Participant

    Did our friend Sherlock delete his CFI Account?

    #315040
    Lausten
    Keymaster

    He did Blaire. He tried coming back with new ones, but he refused to discuss his rule violations. He’s permanently blocked.

    #315910

    I hear it said that’s not all they 😉

     

    So weird having Sherlock disappeared – I was not fan of his, but . . .

     

     

     

    never mind.

     

    Except that it’s causing disturbing flashbacks to old German movies and the midnight pounding on the door, and the terror that engendered.

    #316177
    Alter2Ego
    Participant

    “Blaire said:

    *Hate Speech by Jesus
    Luke 14:26
    If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children, and brothers and sisters, yes, even his own life he cannot be my disciple.”

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    Blaire:

    Luke 14:26 is not considered hate speech when context is paid attention to.  The point Jesus was making was that in order to be his followers, his disciples were required to put parents, spouses, children, and even themselves secondary to their discipleship because that particular discipleship was a serious matter.   He expanded on that point at the verses you chose to ignore, namely, Luke 14:27-33.

    Simply put, Jesus was using hyperbole when he used the word “hate” at Luke 14:26.

     

    Alter2Ego

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    “That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” ~ Psalms 83:18

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    #316181
    TimB
    Participant

    Now, I know that in the mythology of Jesus, he had some good messages, words to live by, so-to-speak, attributed to him.  But this toned-down Luke message that means “followers (are) required to put parents, spouses, children, and even themselves secondary (to their leader)” is still pretty shaky, IMO.  Imagine that if someone in modern times like Rev. Jones, eventually of Jonestown had required such of his followers (Oh, he did.) or another self-appointed religious leader did the same thing in a town called Waco.

    You think Jesus did the same sort of thing, but doing it first helped his mythology take form and grow over the next couple of thousand years?

    #316199
    Alter2Ego
    Participant

    Blaire said:

    *Violent Jesus

    Matthew 10:34-37

    Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth, I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.  For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother,  and a daughter-in-law against her mother in law and a man’s foes will be those of his own household.  He who loves mother or father more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and he who does not take his cross to follow me is not worthy of me.  He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.

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    Blaire:

    You did the same thing with this cherry-picked verse, as happened with your claim about Jesus supposedly giving “hate speech” at  Luke 14:26.

    Jesus is saying the exact same thing above, except it is in reverse:  His disciples must put their discipleship ahead of family and friends–but it is their family and friends that will turn on Jesus’ disciples.  This has actually happened to true servants of Jehovah:  Their unbelieving relatives turned against them and persecuted them, rather than the other way around.  In other words, Jesus is warning his disciples that they should expect to be persecuted by their closest friends and relatives.  And this actually has occurred among Jehovah’s servants.  Their close relatives and friends turned on them when they became servants of Almighty God Jehovah.  I can give you examples of this, if you wish.

     

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    “That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” ~ Psalms 83:18

     

     

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    #316206
    Alter2Ego
    Participant

    TimB said:

    Now, I know that in the mythology of Jesus, he had some good messages, words to live by, so-to-speak, attributed to him.  But this toned-down Luke message that means “followers (are) required to put parents, spouses, children, and even themselves secondary (to their leader)” is still pretty shaky, IMO.  Imagine that if someone in modern times like Rev. Jones, eventually of Jonestown had required such of his followers (Oh, he did.) or another self-appointed religious leader did the same thing in a town called Waco.

    You think Jesus did the same sort of thing, but doing it first helped his mythology take form and grow over the next couple of thousand years?
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    TimB:

    Please answer the following questions.

    QUESTION #1 TO TimB:  Where, in scripture, has Jesus Christ ever instructed his disciples to commit mass suicide?  Please quote the scripture and identify it by Bible book, chapter, and verse when you reply:

     

    Read the following verses, and then answer the questions that follow.  Jesus said the following to his disciples:

    “{12} This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you. {13} No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends. {14} You are my friends if you do what I am commanding you.” (John 15: 12-14)

    QUESTION #2 TO TimB:  At John 15:12 and 14, Jesus commanded his disciples to love one another.  TRUE or FALSE?

     

    “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

    QUESTION #3 TO TimB:  According to scripture, Jesus died an excruciating death for all humanity, which happens to be the exact reverse of telling people to commit mass suicide on his behalf.  TRUE or FALSE?

     

    “{21} In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely. {22} He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.  {23} When he was being insulted, he did not insult in return.  When he was suffering, he did not threaten, but he entrusted himself to the One who judges righteously.” (1 Peter 2:21-23

    QUESTION #4 TO TimB:   Does a sinless man dying for all of humanity resemble the mass suicide/murders perpetrated by the false and sinful messiahs, Jim Jones and David Koresh?  YES or NO?  If your answer is Yes, explain why.

     

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    “That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” ~ Psalms 83:18

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    #316223
    Lausten
    Keymaster

    This is the sad state of religious argument, where we’ve been stuck for a few hundred years now. It’s widely accepted that one of the factors of the movement in the 1st century was a belief in the apocalypse. By “widely accepted”, I don’t mean there is consensus, because there is no consensus. The people who think they know what Jesus meant are sitting in the pews. Some people who claim to be scholars might believe they know, but we can’t tell them from the people who are lying about it to make money off of those people. The honest religious scholars will tell you that they don’t even know who wrote the scriptures, let alone what they really thought.

    They didn’t have Senators in Rome who could be called in to Jerusalem to investigate the legitimacy of the movement. They didn’t have independent reporters.

    In my opinion, many of the people who were reading Paul’s letters and then the gospels were honestly trying to figure out how to live in an occupied land and helping each other and trying to spread their message of compassion to their occupiers. I think part of the reason the movement failed is that they used the language of the Torah, one of prophecy and human sacrifice. You can see it in the later letters, the ones that are probably written by people of the generation after Peter and Paul. They are asking when Jesus is coming back. Their friends are dying before heaven has arrived on earth, and they want to know what is going to happen to their souls. These are the same skeptical questions people ask now.

    Alter is probably going to object, saying that the movement didn’t fail. It was nothing but another small group of people with their ideas of who God was for 380 years. It wasn’t until a Christian became emperor of the failing Roman government, cherry picked the scripture that was lying around, and put the full force of his military behind it that it began to grow in to what we know now.

    #316227
    Write4U
    Participant

    @Alter2Ego said,

    Statements from the bible, True or False?

    The Bible is false, therefore all statements from the bible are fruits of a poisoned tree. Pun intended.

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    #316232
    Sree
    Participant

    In what sense is the Bible false?

    #316247
    TimB
    Participant

    Alter2, I am not going to find the Bible verses that report the violent deaths of almost all of the disciples.  I am not going to cite all of the historical events in which persons died and killed in the name of Christianity.  Jones and Koresh were also supposedly following the mythology of Jesus.  But the poor saps that followed them, did so with faith that these leaders were of more importance than the lives of family and friends, in much the same way that you say Jesus proclaimed he must be #1.

    I also am not arguing the mythology of Jesus.  It is a nice story in some ways.  But it is just a story.  It would be more entertaining to argue about the mythology of Game of Thrones.

    @Alter2Ego

    Question 1  What did the White Walkers represent in the story?

    Question 2  Did Arya ever truly lose her self-identity when in the indoctrination of the faceless? i.e., was she truly ever “no one”?

    Question 3  Who was the true inheritor of the throne, by birthright?

    Question 4   What eventually made the difference in who gained the Throne, birthright, integrity, wealth, military power, or having the best narrative?

     

    #316250
    Lausten
    Keymaster
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