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US President Addicted to Lying. Why the mass acceptance?


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  • #334539
    @widdershins
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    I’ve said this many times before, but we do not just “accept” lying from our politicians, we demand it.  We literally demand to be lied to.  Being interviewed as a politician is a lot like being interviewed for a job.  The questions are often meaningless and designed to see if you know the “right” response, not to get an honest answer out of you.

    Remember when Biden, as first term VP, was asked if he would feel safe with his family riding a train during some terrorist threat?  He didn’t know the rules yet, so he answered honestly and he was PUMMELED for it!  The very next day he had to answer the question again the RIGHT way AND THEN he had to spend the next week taking public transportation to PROVE that the right answer was “the truth”.

    We, the American people, absolutely DEMAND that our politicians lie to us.  Throw in shitty journalism where they ask these stupid, meaningless questions which require a “political” response and not a “true” response and of course politicians lie.

    It’s the state of journalism which created this situation.  Journalists don’t want “truth”, they want “sensational”.  They want the extremes.  In the news in the last couple of weeks, “3 year old bakes and delivers more than 1,000 cookies to NY front line workers!”  Well that’s great, but no she didn’t.  If she did her parents need to be arrested for neglect for letting a 3 year old kid work the oven and walk the streets to deliver cookies unsupervised.  The story is a lie, but only a little one.  Obviously we know she didn’t do that.  But we accept it and fill in the gaps ourselves to make her parents not monsters because if they were the headline would have been, “Parents leave 3 year old unattended while she performs potentially dangerous tasks”.  The 3 year old was “involved” in it.  She was the cute part of the story.  We know the title is technically a lit, but we’re okay with it because it’s a cute lie.  It’s one we like to hear.

    The fact is, facts are boring.  Sensationalism gets clicks.  But “sensational” things don’t happen every day.  So journalists present the mundane as sensational.  They stretch the truth, exaggerate the facts and make the story interesting.  Because the story wouldn’t be all that great if it was just, “Hey, look at this cute kid.  She helped her mommy bake more than 1,000 cookies and deliver them to NY front line workers.  Isn’t that cute?”  And that’s story over.  You get an, “Awe” and then it’s forgotten.  Over the years this has trained us to accept the lies we’re told literally every day as being “kind of” truths.  And it’s even worse in political reporting.  When a politician sits down with a reporter it’s like being examined by a prosecutor or being interviewed by a potential employer.  They always have to say the right thing.  It doesn’t matter if that’s also the true thing or not.

    #334548

    It’s true that some outlets spoon-feed their audience what their audience wants to hear, but not all. It’s incumbent on the consumer of that news feed to evaluate the veracity of any particular report. If enough Americans prefer the infantilization of news stories someone will provide that. Fox News is exhibit A. If Americans want fact-driven, verifiable information they’ll turn to PBS’s Judy Woodruff or Rachel Maddow. The problem stems from the fact that Americans are the best entertained and least informed citizens of all the developed nations. Simple, easy solutions are always more appealing then grappling with challenging issues in an honest and direct way.

    We all heard Trump say; “It’ll be so easy” as if stark reality could be pretended away.

    #334549

    @michaelmckinney1951   The problem stems from the fact that Americans are the best entertained and least informed citizens of all the developed nations. Simple, easy solutions are always more appealing then grappling with challenging issues in an honest and direct way.

    We all heard Trump say; “It’ll be so easy” as if stark reality could be pretended away.

    Nothing to add, just wanted to see those words highlighted within a box.    🙂

    #334558
    @widdershins
    Participant

    It’s incumbent on the consumer of that news feed to evaluate the veracity of any particular report.

    And that’s the problem.  People today feel it’s their duty to evaluate EVERYTHING for themselves.  Should I believe evolution is real?  Let me check the Internet, where anybody can post nearly anything without getting it fact checked.  Should I vaccinate my kids?  Let me check the Internet.  It says here I should just make them drink bleach instead and it sounds pretty convincing.  These are REAL examples, not made up.  If there are no sources of information that we can trust then all information becomes subjective.

    #334561

    Any news item from any source needs to be considered within the context of our personal knowledge and life experience. We ask Americans to choose between a number of candidates in electing a president and congressional representatives. We don’t want or expect children to make that choice because their knowledge and experience are insufficient to the importance of the task. It’s assumed that those of adult age have developed at least a threshold level of critical judgment to make an intelligent choice. As you have accurately stated some issues are so complex that relying on technical expertise from others is our only option, such as vaccinations for our children or undergoing a surgical procedure. The world has grown very complex and the individual is often left to rely on the specialized knowledge of others. What are we left with? Trust is our only option. Humans are evolutionarily designed to trust each other. We do this every day. When we see lines of traffic in orderly rows on our highways and stopping at red lights we generally trust the strangers driving to obey the rules because it benefits all. The problem is some and thankfully a small minority feel their “freedom” is being curtailed by following the rules like the MAGA hat-wearing Trump supporter on an airline flight who answered when asked why he isn’t wearing a mask “I believe in freedom”. Evidently his concept of freedom included the right to potentially infect others with what could be a deadly disease.  The Nineteenth Century quote is more valid than ever; “Liberty, liberty, liberty they cry when all they really want is license”.

    #334567
    @timb
    Participant

     If Americans want fact-driven, verifiable information they’ll turn to PBS’s Judy Woodruff or Rachel Maddow.

    There is a 24 hr Cable news channel called NEWSY.  It is generally quite balanced. BBC America is a good source of news, also.

    If you want tRump propaganda, stick with FOX and OAN (One America News).

    Trust is our only option.

    If that is the case, then if the tRump remains in power, we have NO option, because HE CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.

    #334613
    @sree
    Participant

    If that is the case, then if the tRump remains in power, we have NO option, because HE CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.

    You may have a point there. I was watching Trump on Fox talking to Judge Jeanine Pirro. Did you see any protestors in Pittsburg crashing diners outside a restaurant and eating their steak and potatoes? Trump said that. A black woman picking up someone’s drink and guzzling it was gross enough and that’s what I saw in a news broadcast the other day.

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    #334630

    That’s true we can’t trust a man who has no regard for honesty, or personal integrity but we can and certainly must trust our collective desire to see this country governed again by those who do value honesty and equitable policies based on egalitarian principles that have carried this nation forward. Despite his deeply flawed character and the genuine risk, he poses to our democratic values Donald Trump will unknowingly and unintentionally do this country a service. His presidency will serve as an alarming reminder of what can happen when voters fail to show up and take their civic obligation seriously. It was more important for millions of Americans to show how much they hated Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama than to cast an informed vote, a vote that clearly would have prevented in some measure the political chaos and disarray that the incompetent demagogue has engendered. Donald Trump’s presidency says far more about the American electorate than him.

    The reason why we’ll never hear this from any news outlet or read it in any magazine or hear it from any politician is because no media outlet, print, TV, internet or radio, and no politician would ever dare to offend a reader or listener or consumer or voter or constituent for fear of losing their support whether it’s with ratings or sales or at election time. It’s all so sweet and salubrious. Remember the way Senator Orrin Hatch used to address other members of the senate. As often as not he’d preface his words by calling others in the body “The distinguished senator” from this or that state allowing one to wonder if their all such “distinguished” members of the body, how did we become the biggest debtor nation in the history of the world? It’s just soft-headed mush talk with no connection to reality and that’s what gets candidates elected.  When Al Gore spoke hard truths to the American voter they simply didn’t have the maturity and foresight to accept it. It’s very much like the nine-year-old little girl who looked into the camera when prompted by her mother and said “Gee President Trump, thank you for allowing us to say Merry Christmas again.” Now that’s what I call “making America great again.   Plato said it 2500 years ago,  “What is honored in a country will grow there”.

    #334637
    @sree
    Participant

    I asked a simple question: Did you see any protestors in Pittsburg crashing diners outside a restaurant and eating their steak and potatoes?

    Just because I did not see it and no one saw it doesn’t prove that Trump was lying. I am just trying to get some due process going on here.

    #334650
    @timb
    Participant

    You should take care about what you see in your alt-right media.

    They had a video of Harry Bellafonte sitting asleep and snoring while an interviewer tried to awaken him.

    Problem is, it was an altered video.  It was faked to look exactly like Biden.  When they were caught in the deception, they used one of their old excuses, saying “it was a joke”.

    The tRump is a LIAR.  His enablers and his corrupted hangers-on are LIARS.  His media chumps are LIARS.

    Nothing he says corroborates ANYTHING.  If you don’t have supportable objective proof of ANYTHING the tRump says, it should be assumed to be a LIE.

    When they get caught with their LIES, the tRumpers call them “jokes” or “avoiding spreading panic” or “enthusiastic hyperbole”, or “alternate facts”, etc.

     

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    #335177
    @cuthbertj
    Participant

    I think these answers are too complicated. Trump makes his supporters feel better about themselves. If underneath, you knew were an abject moron, and society makes you feel like one, who would make you feel less like the failure you are? A smart articulate black guy who brought himself up to be a constitutional scholar and Harvard professor or an idiot adulterer who can barely form a complete word phrase?  Simple as that. And the others in congress who are his enablers – he’s just a useful idiot.

    #335185
    @sree
    Participant

    A smart articulate black guy who brought himself up to be a constitutional scholar and Harvard professor or an idiot adulterer who can barely form a complete word phrase?

    The white village idiot has every right to a place in American society alongside the black intellectual who makes it through affirmative action (at the expense of the white idiot).

    #335203
    @timb
    Participant

    The white village idiot has every right to a place in American society alongside the black intellectual…

    Sure he does.  Just not as a POTUS (who is striving to be king) AND who is destroying our form of government, ANDd who has brought on the DEATHS of over 200,000 of our countrymen.

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