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What liberal TDS said this, in reaction to the Mueller Report?


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  • #299333

    “Asking CC to explain is just asking her to call me names. A standard operating method for the political climate science of the far left.”

    That’s precious Mike, your classic GOP Christian Doctrine at work: “Do as I say, not as I do!”

    The projection is expected.  But, I suggest the problem is you aren’t interested in learning – which is why you never seem to absorb the information I share.  Instead you got spit balls and now you’re playing the victim card.

    If you ever acted as though you were absorbing new information I won’t be driven to occasionally tossing a couple spit balls your way.

    xoxoxo

    #299334

    But we were discussing Trump’s Lies – and I produced some evidence.

    https://centerforinquiry.org/forums/topic/what-liberal-tds-said-this-in-reaction-to-the-mueller-report/page/3/#post-299231

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    CC, can u tell me WTF Mike is talking about when he says this:

    “…The question is how much is Climate Change affecting Global Warming? Science says it has to have some affect. And that has been given a 3% change in Global Warming. Sea level rise has just been keeping up with Global Warming and we have none for Climate Change so far…”

    It’s genius right wing think tank spin, they took the 97% consensus number subtracted it from 100% and there you go, people are responsible for 3% of the warming.  They like being cute like that.  Makes perfect sense doesn’t it?

    Or perhaps only 3% of Antarctica has melted so far.

    Of course, if Mike thinks I’m wrong, he can alway offer some authoritative links that explain how Koch arrived at that 3% for his PR campaign.  Then maybe we could get to the bottom of it.

    Mike the ball is in your court.  Please Mike, real links to real information and evidence, not your questionable nonstop opining. Please.

     

    Incidentally,

    The 97% v the 3% – just how much global warming are humans causing?
    The preponderance of evidence shows that humans are responsible for about 100% of the warming since 1950

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/sep/15/97-vs-3-how-much-global-warming-are-humans-causing

    #299335

    MikeYohe
    Participant

    What evidence? The teck companies lean left. The news media lean left. Why should I believe any fact find sources. They lean left too.

    Let me ask you. Did Trump say Wind Mills cause cancer?

    #299337

    Right so you choose to believe Trump and ignore evidence.

    Guess that’s how you been handling the Anthropogenic Global Warming evidence too.  3% impact what do you smoke out there?

    Keeling Curve of Atmospheric CO2
    http://scrippsco2.ucsd.edu/history_legacy/keeling_curve_lessons
    Mike doesn’t appreciate that humans have done all of that, and it does have consequences!

    It’s the atmospheric insulation silly!

    #299339

    Well except for the seasonal squiggles

    #299340

    3point14rat
    Participant

    The article says, “In fact it’s just as likely that humans are responsible for about 160% of the global surface warming since 1950 as it is that we’re only responsible for 50%.”

    My math skills are sketchy at best. Can you explain how we can be responsible for over 100% of the heating of the earth? I know it makes sense, I just don’t get it.

    #299341

    I don’t get those parts either.  These things are written by people who get lost in their own tangents without explaining themselves.

    Thing to focus on is that while everyone plays around the fringes feeding endless confusion – the bottom line is that we have increased our atmospheric insulation by some thirty percent and that has known and very logical cascading consequences.

    Using a physically realistic metaphor –  Our Atmospheric Insulation Regulator has been cranked from around 280 ppm, when the steam engine was invented, to past 407 today and rapidly climbing.  That is all human made.  (of course human impact upon global systems including our atmosphere date way past that, but they were much more subtle.).

    We even have a number for how much heat is being created within our global heat and moisture distribution engine moment by moment. http://sks.to/heat

    This has cascading consequences, including increasing atmospheric moisture, the most potent greenhouse gas and driver of storm systems.

    Of course, we’ll never know all the details, or the exact rates of change, there’s so much we haven’t mapped out with statistical certain, but all that is simply chump change.  We know what kinds of disruptions are heading our way and we damned well know that it’s going to get much much worse, quite probably faster than any of unimaginative faith-blinded can fathom.

    e) Map v Territory Problem, Statistical Certainty vs Geophysical Realities

    https://confrontingsciencecontrarians.blogspot.com/2018/12/statistical-certainty-vs-geophysical.html

    #299343

    Mriana
    Moderator

    MikeYohe said:

    So, if you say America was never great. America having a President that did not understand the value of a capitalist system and how to do trade agreement work was not a great thing.

    During FDR, we still had Jim Crow Laws, so while the U.S. and it is the United States OF America, not America (get to that later) was not great for black people. It wasn’t great for other minorities or women either. Only if one was a White Male Protestant (or WASP) was it allegedly great. At one time if one was Irish, they weren’t white either, but that too is another story. Let’s not forget the oppression of women that still happens today too.

    Shell and other gas companies knew about what the lead did in the air to humans, especially children, but tried for years to say it was safe, so they could make money. Eventually, for the sake of human health, they had to get the lead out of gas for lead free air. RJ Reynolds and other cigarette companies, paid doctors to say that smoking helped asthma and other breathing problems and didn’t cause cancer so they can make money. They knew their product was killing people but as long as people smoked without a care in the world, they’d make money. Asbestos, same story.

    Now, let’s go ahead to today with companies running the show without any regulations just because they think they know better. Flint Michigan- lead in water causing brain damage to kids. They can’t drink the water, but forbid that the company stops the lead, because then they can’t make mega-bucks. There’s other places- DuPont, pouring crap in the water, in which people can’t drink the water there either because DuPont would lose money if they did. Not to mention the air pollution these companies also produce. Oh and the prison system which has systematically become privatized and is part of the oppression of many, especially of male minorities. Now there’s something you should research. We live in one of the most racist and sexist countries on earth. I’m not sure which country is worse than us, but we are up there, with many minorities and women dying every day. The healthcare system has been suppressing women’s health centuries and currently, the U.S. ranks high in women dying in childbirth.

    Let companies run their business without regulations? So what you are saying is, let companies run their business without regulations so they can make money, even though they harm and/or kill people. Who cares about humans as long the company makes money. ALL WORSHIP THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR! I don’t think so. I don’t worship any god especially one made by humans, which kills humans and other animals.

    Now about that America thingy… Sorry, but Canada and Mexico are also America. They are on the American continent. Thus, why we call the States the United States of America and right now, the United States of America sucks for almost everyone but the 1%, which the dotard supports, yet he has file bankruptcy many times. He really isn’t as rich has he may let on, he just passes laws so the greedy rich people can make more and keep their money by filing bankruptcy.

    OF course, I’ve on just begun concerning letting companies regulate themselves. Of course, if you don’t believe what I’m saying then you can research this yourself or I can’t give you many links showing how much damage DuPont, RJ Reynolds, and other companies have done to human and other animals’ health over the years. Not sure how many links the system will allow us to post at one time without spam flags going up, but I can give you links to this history and more. We need regulations or the businesses will worship their money god so much that all life on earth dies from these companies’ pollution.

    #299360

    TimB
    Participant

    Mike said, “Tim, better check and see what states the problem of new outbreaks of diseases are taking place in. Democratic controlled states.”

    TimB says, That is your reply to my questioning why the Trump admin would abscond with children of asylum seekers and send them to secret locations all about the country, IF they believed that the immigrants are a major source of disease vectors.

    So are you saying that they really did believe the children were diseased and communicable and then sent them to Democratic controlled states? That sounds really far out, but when one considers Stephen Miller’s antisocial ideas, it does not seem to be out of the realm of possibility.  But I would need evidence to believe it. Tho I think Miller would have been among the first to give disease ridden blankets to the Indians, back in the day.

    #299363

    TimB
    Participant

    The righty Chief Justice of the SCOTUS was the one who decided that the ACA passed constitutional muster at the time.  But he gave the Trumpublicans a head’s up on how to make it unconstitutional, which they did and now have it back going thru the courts again.  The SCOTUS is now even more firmly in the grasp of the right, so killing the ACA and all of the good parts of it as well, is nearing.  All of Trumpublica can have a simultaneous orgasm as it finally dies.  And all will be well in Trumpublica, until the realization of what they have done dawns.   No replacement with something better.  Lies exposed again with the suffering of millions as an exclamation point.

    #299367

    thatoneguy
    Participant

    This thread has split into like six different topics, but this caught my eye:

    Let’s start with the fact that the U.S.A. was never great and try explaining that to him. Each century has had its own set of problems: Slavery, Jim Crow, Women’s Suffrage, ERA, Vietnam, assassinations, Civil Rights, health care, inflation, long gas lines of the 70s, The Great Depression (Solved by the New Deal by FDR, a great Dem) etc and now that orange thing in the big house messing things up. Oh I’m so bad. lol

    The essence of MAGA is America used to be a great place for the middle class, but now it’s not, and a middle class is necessary for stability. Nobody is claiming the past was perfect.

    Also, I think it is worth pointing out that US history is relatively mild compared the the rest of the world despite having all the ingredients for massive unrest.

    #299369

    Mriana
    Moderator

    Yes, thatoneguy, the middle class had it good, but most were male WASPs. It didn’t apply to women (except by default of her husband, as she had her place at home), black people, or any other minority.

    #299370

    TimB
    Participant

    If MAGA is about restoring the middle class to its heyday (1946-1980) then all we need to do go thru a world war with a substantial number of casualties, but more importantly to raise and maintain the top federal income tax rates at 95% (as it was in 1945)  to 80% (as it had dropped to in the 60’s)  but definitely higher than the 70%  it dropped to in 1980.

    What socialists we were back then!

    #299389

    Always blows me away hearing people discuss American ‘greatness’ without ever acknowledging the landscape or its cornucopia of flora and fauna inhabitants that Europe discovered and that made it the great place it was.

     

    America was great because it was a physically huge and resource saturated and inhabited by people who were easy to kill and tamed by slaves.

    We’re sucking our cornucopia dry fast as possible, robbing America of what made it the great Land of Opportunity in the first place, and most don’t even get that fundamental – cause they be too busy thinking about themselves and their perceived needs and complaints.

    #299390

    Mriana
    Moderator

    Citizenschallenge-v.3 said

    America was great because it was a physically huge and resource saturated and inhabited by people who were easy to kill and tamed by slaves.

    The ones who thought that way were known as wasichu by the natives. http://dickshovel.com/wasichu.html

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