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When It’s Time to Go


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  • #334508
    @timb
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    Here are 240 people that we mostly have all heard of, who are over 70.  Take a look at them, because in oneguy’s world, he wants any care that could prolong their lives to be prohibited.

    https://www.onthisday.com/people/age-group/70-79

    No more medical care of any kind for age 70’s or over.  Not in oneguy’s paradise of alt-right thinking.

    oneguy and tRump promote the deaths of retirees, your mom, dad, grandparents, other relatives, friends, anyone over 70, if they can’t survive without any medical care, then oneguy and tRump want them dead.  That will certainly help address the issue of funding Medicare and Social Security.

    Old people better stop loving the tRump, if they want to survive many more years.

    #334509
    @timb
    Participant

    Oh, but the tRump is over 70.  So NO MORE medical care for him in oneguy’s paradise.

    No more prescription medicines for him.  No more constant testing for COVID.  No more medical check ups. (The public reports of his physicals are complete BS anyway.)

    Just let him keep consuming so much KFC and MacDonald’s that he eventually pops, (like the fat man at the posh restaurant, in Monty Python’s “The Meaning of Life).

    #334517
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    Trump would not get any special treatment.

    #334519
    @thatoneguy
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    That depends on how you look at it.  If you take the statement as the hyperbole it was likely intended then yes, many people are working themselves to death even by your own figures.  If dying in your 60s is completely normal and retirement age isn’t until late 60s, early 70s then many people work until they die, which, I believe, was the actual point.  And farmers don’t tend to retire when they hit 67 years old and just sit back after that.  Not in my area, anyway.

    Lausten was talking about working yourself to death like  John Henry, which doesn’t happen anyway.   Having the retirement age late in life is the only possible way to do it in this kind of society because it allows people to pay taxes for decades and contribute to society in a indirect way for most of their lives.

    Plus if Republicans ever succeed in getting rid of the already entirely inadequate Social Security then most people won’t have a retirement anyway, so most of America will work until they die because when they quit working they will die of starvation and homelessness.

    Social security is doomed now because there’s not enough young taxpayers to support the huge amount of retirees.  Anybody under say, 50 right now will not be able to depend on SS so they better have some nest egg.  That’s another good reason not to have a society filled with geriatrics.

    #334520
    @sree
    Participant

    Now you want laws to prohibit any aid to anyone over 70 that could help them continue to live.

    Living beyond 70 is not ok even if you are not a drain on society or a nuisance to your family. People ought to check out when it’s time to retire, like racehorses or commercial airliners that are no longer fit for service. Old folks are not a pretty sight in a world meant for those in their prime.

    #334521
    @sree
    Participant

    Here are 240 people that we mostly have all heard of, who are over 70.  Take a look at them, because in oneguy’s world, he wants any care that could prolong their lives to be prohibited.

    Except for Donald Trump, the others don’t look anything like the pictures in your link. They look as ugly as Mick Jagger and the walking dead even if he can still prance on the stage.

    #334522
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    I couldn’t care less about old celebrities.  The classic rockers especially deserve to have the plug pulled on them.

    #334529
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Lausten was talking about working yourself to death like  John Henry, which doesn’t happen anyway. — oneguy

    I was thinking more along the lines of the horse in animal farm. but not even that dramatic really. As my story shows, I have no case for workers comp, I didn’t get my arm chopped off by a machine, even my carpal tunnel would just fall under elective surgery. I was thinking of the cost of the 40 hour week, or in many cases the 60 hour week, or those with low paying two 30 hour a week jobs. Laws are designed and lawyers are paid to not allow a connection from that to the health costs, even though they are obvious.

    Social security is doomed now because there’s not enough young taxpayers to support the huge amount of retirees.  — oneguy

    Again, you just buy the lies that you are told. If the world was not getting a more wealthy and potentially better place, countries could not just keep printing money like they do. They couldn’t keep building all the weapons that they do. The problem is not a lack of resources, it’s how we spend them. It’s what we value. You think more plastic things and flashy lights are a sign of a strong economy. I think it’s clean water and people resting peacefully after a lifetime of satisfying work surrounded by people who love them.

    #334537
    @widdershins
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    Living beyond 70 is not ok even if you are not a drain on society or a nuisance to your family. People ought to check out when it’s time to retire, like racehorses or commercial airliners that are no longer fit for service. Old folks are not a pretty sight in a world meant for those in their prime.

    My father-in-law is 86, 87 years old.  He still farms hundreds of acres producing the food you and I just go to the store and buy.  He does more work before noon than any 3 other people I know do all day.  What is this magic power that the number 70 has which made him a drain on society or a nuisance to his family almost 20 years ago even though nothing changed for him?

    #334543

    Well done Guy for altering me,

    I hadn’t realized just how over the edge t rump has driven right wing thinking and Republican’s in general. (hard to imagine, and I thought I was a pessimist, it’s even worse than I could have imagined.)

    What a bunch of wannabe murders the Republicans have turned into.

    Thanks for the clarification Guy and sree.

     

    #334545
    @sree
    Participant

    @citizenschallengev3

    What a bunch of wannabe murders the Republicans have turned into.

    Thanks for the clarification Guy and sree.

    This has nothing to do with being a Republican or a right-wing conservative. The objection to people living past their prime is consistent with the principle of sustainability immanent in the natural order of Nature. The human body is kept healthy by constant replacement of all living cells that are programmed to die through the process of apoptosis. We are just saying that when it’s time to go, you ought to go in the interest of the long term viability of society.

    If you believe that God doesn’t exist, then what is your argument against this humanist value of secularism? Christianity has no provision for the voluntary ending of one’s life for the greater good of humanity.

    #334552
    @widdershins
    Participant

    I hadn’t realized just how over the edge t rump has driven right wing thinking and Republican’s in general.

    Oh, I get it now!  People over 70 are useless anyway so it doesn’t matter if Trump lets them die!  I hadn’t realized what this conversation was really about until you pointed it out.

    #334564
    @timb
    Participant

    This has nothing to do with being a Republican or a right-wing conservative. The objection to people living past their prime is consistent with the principle of sustainability immanent in the natural order of Nature.

    Actually it is consistent with Fascist notions of choosing a certain group to cast as not worthy of existing.  Then as you succeed in wiping them out and taking any wealth they may have accumulated, you Nazi bastards will come up with some other group that you can demonize and exterminate.

    Why not just scream out “The Reich shall rise again!”

    (Where are the Anti Fascists when you need them.)

     

    #334575
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    What a bunch of wannabe murders the Republicans have turned into.

    Thanks for the clarification Guy and sree.

    Since the average republican is a senior citizen, I’d say you’re safe.

    #334576
    @thatoneguy
    Participant

    My father-in-law is 86, 87 years old.  He still farms hundreds of acres producing the food you and I just go to the store and buy.  He does more work before noon than any 3 other people I know do all day.  What is this magic power that the number 70 has which made him a drain on society or a nuisance to his family almost 20 years ago even though nothing changed for him?

    70 isn’t a magic number. The average human life span is around 60-70 years old.  Most people today live longer but that’s only because of modern medicine.  We can now treat the chronic diseases that are inevitable with aging and add another decade or so, but that creates a new set of problems.

    People like your father-in-law who make it to 80+ without serious health problems are admirable but they’re not the norm.

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