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When It’s Time to Go


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  • #334581
    @thatoneguy
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    I was thinking more along the lines of the horse in animal farm. but not even that dramatic really. As my story shows, I have no case for workers comp, I didn’t get my arm chopped off by a machine, even my carpal tunnel would just fall under elective surgery. I was thinking of the cost of the 40 hour week, or in many cases the 60 hour week, or those with low paying two 30 hour a week jobs. Laws are designed and lawyers are paid to not allow a connection from that to the health costs, even though they are obvious.

    There is no doubt constant struggling to make ends meet takes a toll on health, but dying from it is extremely rare.

    Again, you just buy the lies that you are told. If the world was not getting a more wealthy and potentially better place, countries could not just keep printing money like they do. They couldn’t keep building all the weapons that they do. The problem is not a lack of resources, it’s how we spend them. It’s what we value. You think more plastic things and flashy lights are a sign of a strong economy. I think it’s clean water and people resting peacefully after a lifetime of satisfying work surrounded by people who love them.

    Yeah, there’s all kinds of ideas about completely rearranging society.  However, it never works out like that anywhere on earth.

     

    #334582
    @sree
    Participant

    My father-in-law is 86, 87 years old.  He still farms hundreds of acres producing the food you and I just go to the store and buy.  He does more work before noon than any 3 other people I know do all day.

    He is 86 and farms hundreds of acres of what? Productivity is not the qualifying factor for staying alive. If it is, then it’s cruel. When it’s time to go, you go regardless of how hard you can work. It’s all about the rhythm of life that ebbs and flows for all alike. No special dispensation for one and not another. Socialism sounds good until you practice it.

    #334606
    @timb
    Participant

    Yeah, there’s all kinds of ideas about completely rearranging society.

    Do you mean ideas like yours?  Restricting health care from anyone over 70, so as to avoid their being a drain on society?

    You hate Boomers and want them to die.  If you happen to exterminate them, who is next on your hate list?

    #334612
    @sree
    Participant

    Do you mean ideas like yours?

    No, the proposal – to end life in a timely manner and not hang onto your body like a compulsive clunker-keeper – does not amount to radical re-arrangement of society. It’s just good housekeeping to throw out old bottles, used paper bags, tv sets from the fifties, and canned food long past their sell-by dates.

    Restricting health care from anyone over 70, so as to avoid their being a drain on society?

    Overstaying -in any situation – is downright inconsiderate and a drain on the environment. It’s not only necessary to let you get out by 70, but we also need to stop over-producing like rats. Too many people are the cause of climate change.

    You hate Boomers and want them to die.  If you happen to exterminate them, who is next on your hate list?

    Nobody wants anybody to die. It’s not about hate if your body needs to shut down and you let it even if you are 45. Medical intervention to keep you alive is not rational when it is so easy to replace you with a new healthy baby.

    #334653
    @timb
    Participant

     Medical intervention to keep you alive is not rational when it is so easy to replace you with a new healthy baby.

    Oh really?  Not rational?

    We could also easily replace you with healthy immigrants.

    So you would support anyone over 45 who is ill, to just die so they could be replaced by a healthy immigrant?  Would that be “rational” enough for you?

    If you are being so “rational” shouldn’t we subject the sickly people over 45 to Dr Mengela’s human experiments on their way to death?  So as to, you know, take fully “rational” advantage of their demise?

    Btw, are you with the Society for Being Philosophically More F’d Up Than WWII Nazis?

    #334687

    sree is like a walking dystopian nightmare.

    #334695
    @widdershins
    Participant

    The average human life span is around 60-70 years old. Most people today live longer but that’s only because of modern medicine.

    If “most people” life longer than 60-70 year then 60-70 years is not the “average”.

    The “average lifespan” is taken by adding together the ages of every person when they die and then dividing that number by the number of people in your sample.  Some of the “modern medicine” which seems to vex you so much actually prevents YOUNG people from dying, not old people.  Vaccines wiping out polio, for example, raised the average lifespan, not by making old people live longer, but by allowing young people to become old people.  The same is true with modern pregnancy care.  And the maternal death rate has plummeted in the 20th century, also greatly increasing the “average” by keeping mothers and their infants alive through birth.  The maternal death rate declined 44% just from 1990 to 2017 alone.

    Socialism sounds good until you practice it.

    Really?  What’s wrong with having roads?  Or schools?  Sewage and water systems?  All of those things are “socialism”.  We all pay a little so that the infrastructure is there for everyone, regardless what they pay.  A purely capitalistic society always screws over the vast majority in favor of the few in power.  Just look at corporate history in America.  Those in power will take all they can from society, treat workers as disposable and make inferior, even dangerous products if there are no consequences and no regulations making them not do it.  Even today they STILL screw over the people in favor of profit, hoping they won’t get caught, such as with the current opiod crisis, which has not changed one bit since coming to light.  And what happens when they do get caught?  The corporation files for bankruptcy “protection” while the people who operate it are almost never held accountable.  And then the corporation, after refusing to pay its bills, continues to operate until the next time they screw the people over and file bankruptcy again so that they don’t have to pay for it.

    Capitalism alone simply cannot work unless you don’t have a problem with corporations owning people.  So what would you temper capitalism with?  What philosophy would you mix it with to make it work better?

    #334699
    @3point14rat
    Participant

    “Really?  What’s wrong with having roads?  Or schools?  Sewage and water systems?  All of those things are “socialism”.  We all pay a little so that the infrastructure is there for everyone, regardless what they pay.  A purely capitalistic society always screws over the vast majority in favor of the few in power.  Just look at corporate history in America.  Those in power will take all they can from society, treat workers as disposable and make inferior, even dangerous products if there are no consequences and no regulations making them not do it.  Even today they STILL screw over the people in favor of profit, hoping they won’t get caught, such as with the current opiod crisis, which has not changed one bit since coming to light.  And what happens when they do get caught?  The corporation files for bankruptcy “protection” while the people who operate it are almost never held accountable.  And then the corporation, after refusing to pay its bills, continues to operate until the next time they screw the people over and file bankruptcy again so that they don’t have to pay for it.”

    I say this kind of stuff ’till I’m blue in the face and no one seems to understand a word of it. They hate the word ‘socialism’ as though it’s dictionary definition is :”The reason leaders mass murder their people while starving them and stealing everything they own.”

    That everything great about our society is based on ‘socialism’ is lost on them. I expect you will get the same type of uninformed response.

    #334700
    @sree
    Participant

    We could also easily replace you with healthy immigrants.

    And why not? As long as it is merit-based, lawful and the country needs more hands on deck.

    I retired ten years ago. I just turned 45 and quite ready to check out even though I am healthy. I can’t find one reason for staying alive even though I don’t have to work for a living or have anything to bitch about. The sun rises and sets every day. Seasons come and go. It’s the same damn thing over and over again. Life has been good so far and I am loving it. It makes sense to check out while I am ahead of the game. What’s your reason for hanging on?

    #334701
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Socialism sounds good until you practice it. — Sree

    I think what you mean is, it’s nice as long it’s benefiting you, whether it’s directly like a loan to your small business, or indirectly like taking care of a crack baby so it doesn’t end up harming the rest of us. But when you see it benefiting someone else, suddenly you think it’s not fair, or when your taxes go up by 2 cents a day, suddenly it’s a problem.

    #334702
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    What’s your reason for hanging on? — Sree

    There’s a kid in Haiti that needs lunch. One in Colombia that needs a computer for school. There’s garbage in the river near me. I’ve been cutting down some firewood and I need to get some trees going to replace it. The woman who gave me life, made sure I got through college and taught me how to balance a checkbook needs my help with a few things. that’s just this month

    #334704
    @sree
    Participant

    That everything great about our society is based on ‘socialism’ is lost on them.

    Two chimps hauling a log can be considered socialism. There is socialism, as idealized by Karl Marx, that even the Chinese Communist Party is unable to put into practice. So, what kind of socialism has made our country great? The only kind I can think of is Christianity that held our settlers together and gave them the grit to tame the west.

    #334706
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Yeah, there’s all kinds of ideas about completely rearranging society.  However, it never works out like that anywhere on earth. — oneguy

    You come so close to having something worth saying, but then you revert to 5th grade level understanding of the world. Democracy is only a few hundred years old. The idea may have been thought of by the Romans, but they quickly went back to Kings who became gods. Large scale civilizations that actually built things like aqueducts or supported exploration were almost always held up by some form of weapon or military strategy that others didn’t have. Most of them have some form of slavery. Of course it “works out”, it’s called human progress.

    #334707
    @lausten
    Keymaster

    Two chimps hauling a log can be considered socialism.  — Sree

    Have you ever actually seen two chimps do that? The only time I’ve heard that reference is in reference to how no one has ever seen it.

    #334708
    @sree
    Participant

    There’s a kid in Haiti that needs lunch. One in Colombia that needs a computer for school. There’s garbage in the river near me. I’ve been cutting down some firewood and I need to get some trees going to replace it. The woman who gave me life, made sure I got through college and taught me how to balance a checkbook needs my help with a few things. that’s just this month

    That’s your karma:  In this world, nothing happens to a person that he does not for some reason or other deserve.

    The wheel of suffering turns – life after life – until you learn. I feel your pain.

     

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